Talk:Defender (association football)
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I suggest that this article is unnecessary and should be deleted, as it repeats what is covered in football (soccer) positions.
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[edit] Suggested merge
All the minor positions could be merged into the four main positions. Goalkeepers, defenders, midfielders and strikers. Ideally, all four should merge back into Football (soccer) positions as the articles are not detailed enough to warrant a split. --Dodo bird 20:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I thinkthat the four major positions (goalkeeper, defender, midfield, striker) should be kept, but sub-positions (such as wingback, fullback, sweeper, etc) should be merged into defenders. GillsMan 10:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
If you do merge the pages, remember that the same terms "wingback" "fullback" and "halfback" are positions in American football and rugby too. It would be nice to keep the description general enough so that people can see the conection between the sports. If you merge the pages make sure people who travel here from rugby or american football pages don't get confused. --Alpharigel 00:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- My intention is to merge the section on association football(not the full article) and add a disambiguity link at the top of the page(e.g. For the fullback position in association football, see Defender(football)) Another alternative would be to summarise the position in a sentence and add a "main article: Defender(football)" to direct users here.--Dodo bird 06:07, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay. I did the merge for wingbacks, and fullbacks. And cut and paste some info from the Football (soccer) positions too. This article is still less detailed than Football (soccer) positions. --Dodo bird 15:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV
"Antonio Cabrini and Paolo Maldini are considered the greatest full-backs in the history of Italian football." That seems a little POV to me - especially considering I would opt for Giacinto Facchetti over Paolo Maldini any day. Nicander 07:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. It now reads: "Franz Beckenbauer, Elías Figueroa, Franco Baresi, Frank Rijkaard, are some of the best ever sweepers in football history. Paolo Montero, Marco Materazzi, Rafael Márquez and Rio Ferdinand would probably serve as the best modern-day examples". I would suggest it be changed to "Franz Beckenbauer, Elías Figueroa, Franco Baresi and Frank Rijkaard are regarded by many to be some of the best sweepers in football history". The last part isn't really relevant. Any oppositions to the idea? Mageslayer99 18:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] "Best players" does not equal "my favourite players"
Please stop removing players who are listed as been the best in their positions and replacing them with your own favourite players.
82.42.115.204 removed Walter Samuel and Rio Ferdinand, and put Jamie Carragher in their place. Rio Ferdinand has been named in the FIFPro World XI (2005), the PFA Team of the Year XI (2007), is first-choice centre-back for England, and has twice as many international appearances as Carragher. Carragher is third-choice centre-back for England and hasn't won any individual awards, nor is he talked of as being better than Ferdinand except by Liverpool fans.
If you want to remove a player, then justify the removal. Personally, I think there are better examples than Walter Samuel and Carlos Puyol. Can anybody come up with a reasonable list of better players? I'd put Jaap Stam into the list. Kronix1986 03:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Diego Lugano is a good example of a centre-back. He should be in this article. Samuel is good but Diego makes for a better centre-back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokkafellah (talk • contribs) 03:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] References to players should be used carefully
To avoid what the last section claims, references to players should be used carefully. Articles in this encyclopedia need to have encyclopedic content: a neutral point of view and historical references only. It is understandable that fans want to use their favorite player as an example when explaining a role in the field, but as there are so many different tastes and opinions, the article will be edited forever, with no clear content.
Also, references to modern teams are no good example for the purpose of the article. Things change very fast in football, and this would led to a continuous edition of the article. And just as a comment, the last version of this article was heavily biased to AC Milan.Grajales 17:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Player examples for each position
If details for each position are going ot be given (centerback, sweeper, etc.), we ought to do a better job... how is Rio considered a sweeper? He is a centerback, period. I'll remove him from the list of current sweepers.
- Please stop re-adding lists of the "best" players in each position, which end up actually being lists of your favourite players. For the sake of NPOV and NOR, there should be no such lists in this article. --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 16:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
