Talk:Decimation (comics)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WikiProject Comics
comics
Portal
This article is in the scope of WikiProject Comics, a collaborative effort to build an encyclopedic guide to comics on Wikipedia. Get involved! Help with current tasks, visit the notice board, edit the attached article or discuss it at the project talk page.
B This article has been rated as B-Class on the quality scale. Please explain the rating here.
Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the importance scale.

Contents

[edit] Archer

Archer wasn't necessarily confirmed powered, was he? I know that in Endangered Species Beast noticed a trend, but was it confirmed a clear-cut rule and was he ever mentioned? 76.0.91.153 (talk) 16:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Irving (Generation M)

Question. Where was it stated that he is actualy powered and not just one of those who kept theire changed physical apearance?-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.141.63.83 (talk • contribs) -- 11 October 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.141.63.83 (talk • contribs) 16:09 October 11, 2006

[edit] Eosimias (comics)

Where was this character revealed to be powered and living at the school? I keep seeing him (?) listed in various articles as powered and residing at the school. Granted, I've stopped reading New X-Men, but have not heard anything about this character recently. Breakaway 07:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-existent New X-Men characters

After checking through New X-Men #24 over and over, I did NOT see characters E-Shock, Jet Storm, and Time Master appear in it. M.Factor 04:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mike Marts Confirmation

Where did Mike Marts confirm all of those mutants to be depowered? M.Factor 04:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Pending some form of citation or confirmation, I've removed both sets of information being questioned by M.Factor. The Mike Marts chart particularly smacks of being based on a private conversation (e.g. "Mike Marts told me at a convention...") rather than a verifiable source. If an editor can confirm these bits of information, revert or pull from the July 24 edit I've made -Markeer 15:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Just for the question which source should we belive about Marrows status Mike Marts or the official Handbook?-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.141.22.141 (talk • contribs) -- 26 September 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.141.26.4 (talk • contribs) 13:46 September 26, 2006
Although we do not use OHOTMU stats, story-related info can be used with caution. Marts can only be used if citation references an appropriate, reliable source and should be clearly marked as having not yet seen print in story form. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 15:20, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Marts can also make mistakes, why don't we simply keep her out of these lists until the status is clear? Also you guys take what is writen in The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe as source to list characters powered so why not Marrow? She is called powered in it.-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.141.26.4 (talk • contribs) -- 28 September 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.141.26.4 (talk • contribs) 21:35 September 28, 2006

[edit] Wolverine

Just changing the Wolverine comic link from the wolverine animal link to the Wolverine comic link. Whispering 21:26, 18 November 2005 (UTC) disambiguation link repair (You can help!)


-- I don't think Alexander Lexington should be included here. The Sentinel Squad ONE series is set before the group's first appearance, which was in a comic set on M-Day. As this book is about the team's formation and training it would be before M-Day, so Lex would still have his powers. I'm not sure if Meld has shown up post-M-Day or not.-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.89.224.216 (talk • contribs) -- 18 March 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.89.224.216 (talk • contribs) 20:41 18 March, 2006 Indeed it's clear by now that Meld should not be on the list. His only appearances are in the Sentinel Squad ONE miniseries, set before M-Day, and the mention in the 198 files book. That mention does refer to him as a mutant, but it also refers to him as being a member of the team still, which he was not as of M-Day, so it is out of date either way. We have nothing to show him as a mutant.

Isn't Mr. Immortal Homo-Supreme and not Homo-Superior? Isn't Doorman actually deceased but re-incarnated as an agent of Oblivion with powers granted by Oblivion? Aren't Cloak and Dagger only mutants in a lame retcon that nobody pays attention to, kind of like Doc Ock at the gamma bomb site?-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.30.190.4 (talk • contribs) -- 15 April 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.190.4 (talk • contribs) 20:26 April 15, 2006

WHO SCREWED UP THIS PAGE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.251.173.250 (talk • contribs) -- 8 April 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.251.173.250 (talk • contribs) 20:24 April 8, 2006

[edit] A response and a problem

First of all, noone screwed it up, this is taken from a official Marvel list.

Second, I have noticed that on every page that the House of M, M-Day, or Decimation are mention a differnt pecentage of mutants losing their powers is used, is there one official number that should be being used on all of them?-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Madhackrviper (talk • contribs) -- 21 April 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Madhackrviper (talk • contribs) 01:01 21 April, 2006

Yes, the number of mutants left is 198.-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.242.135.113 (talk • contribs) -- 8 May 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.242.135.113 (talk • contribs) 19:47 May 8, 2006
Wrongo, it has been mention numerous times as an "innacuurate number". Plus, I was talking about the percentage, not the bumer, I've see nthe percentage range from 90-99% --Madhackrviper 23:14, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Would it be possible to add in a reading order?

Or perhaps a publication order (this one I can do myself). I've searched long and hard checking if there is an order I'm supposed to go in.. Nothing. The marvel site is really a piece of trash, so it's not bee much help.

Also, I added the X-Factor 1-4 in the Decimation line, as it was missing.

--Cryptik 19:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 32 16 or 8 million?

Quoting from the article:

the number has been referred to as "symbolic" rather than actual. Numbers for pre-Decimation mutants vary from "over a million" (House of M #8) to 16 million (New X-Men #115, where it is said that the 16 million mutants who died on Genosha was around "half" the mutant population)

But if 16 million is "half" the mutant population, then the mutant population is 32 million. Alternately, only 8 million died in on Genosha. If someone who has the source could confirm, that would be great. — vijay (Talk) 21:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Around 16 million died on Genosha, leaving (around) 16 million left. Numbers not precise. - SoM 02:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

This is stating the obvious, but there's a lot of bad math concerning the entire matter. At least the Professor X article states that 91.4 % of the mutants were depowered; so if 198 represents 8.6 % of the original mutant population, there were only 2,302 to begin with. Elswhere I've seen a figure of 98 %, which would still put the original count just below 10,000. When in fact narrowing an original of 16 million (based on above statements, I haven't read the particular stories myself) down to 198 would mean a 99.9988 % decrease in numbers. Many people think 1 % a smaller unit than it really is – especially when dealing with large numbers – and this seems to include comicbook writers. --Anshelm '77 00:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Is it worth mentioning that 'decimate' is being used in its very incorrect form - to decimate means to reduce by 10%, NOT reduce to 10%.
193.243.227.1 (talk) 17:03, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
In the article? I think Peter David addressed the issue of the meaning of decimate as well. StarSpangledKiwi (talk) 20:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 198 listing and the Stepford Cuckoos

Shouldn't Celeste, Mindee and Phoebe be listed as three seperate mutants as opposed to a part of a collective group and a singular member of the 198? Didn't change it of my own accord in case I'm wrong in some strange way...-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.193.42 (talk • contribs) -- 20 June 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.193.42 (talk • contribs) 13:45 June 20, 2006

198 Questions Some of these characters have not been confirmed as far as I remember. Emplate and a couple of others have not been seen as either powered or depowered. I also think that the Three-in-One and Collective Man do count as one mutant since they were that way in the files.-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.206.172.177 (talk • contribs) -- 31 July 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.206.172.177 (talk • contribs) 18:25 July 31, 2006

No, they are different people but have linked powers. That's it. And for Emplate and all the character who were in the Handbooks, if they aren't listed as depowered, then they're powered, Eric J Moreels told me, whn I asked over at ComixFan.-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) -- 13 October 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) 18:30 October 13, 2006

[edit] What a mess....

This article is a mess- especialy the 198 list! Where have Eosimias, Gregor Smyrdiakov, or "the SHIELD Psi-Agents" reappear? There are no sources! Can we organize this like depowered list?-Merlin Storm

It needs to be mostly deleted because it's inaccurate and uncited. --Chris Griswold 00:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It's not, although they weren't in the 198 Files, Gregor was in Mutopia X #5 and the SHIELD agents in New Avenger, the Collective story ! --Siemgi

Also, the references section is broken, with a lot of visible HTML markup. Scraimer 21:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


Please explain what "died after the explosion of the bus" means to non readers. thx User:Sfrostee 1 May 2007

[edit] 198 List

In one week, I will begin to delete uncited characters in the 198 list. --Chris Griswold 07:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Now lets see- Skids and Indra were confirmed in Blood of Apocalypse(XM) part 1and Childhoods End(NXM) part1, Madame Web was confimed in Feral(ASM) part 4, Negasonic was in Torn(AXM) part1, and....that's all I know. Anyone have more info?-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.251.162.94 (talk • contribs) -- 12 August 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.251.162.94 (talk • contribs) 22:20 August 12, 2006

I edited it for errors (including correct alphabetization), and it was reverted! WHAT THE HELL!Merlin Storm 00:11, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

And I put the list back on. Talk about having a God complex "in one week I will blah blah blah". Try actually reading a comic book then maybe you'll know that most of these mutants were confirmed as having their powers and part of the 198 in the X-Men: 198 Files one-shot. If you really want to get your jollies, you can delete the ones that aren't part of the 198 and only speculated. Actually, I'll do that for you. Originalsinner 20:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Then cite them. The whole thing is uncited. Did you respond within the past week? If you had, I wouldn't have removed it. Drop the "god complex" accusations and discuss this, and we'll fix it together. Otherwise, of the three of us that have discussed this in the past two weeks, two want it to be gone and only you want it to stay. I do appreciate, however, that you --Chris Griswold(☏) 00:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like point out that I thought you had restored the entire list, but it turns out that you had actually made a great decision to cut it down to the 198 and cite the 198 Files, which is a great start. Thanks. --Chris Griswold(☏) 01:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Now there's the problem. People are getting confused between the confirmed 198 and the remaining mutants who weren't part of the 198 handbook. Which is now ticking me off because after I culled the last list, it got reversed to include the other mutants. This is possibly gonna turn into the same problem the wikipedia has with the Omega-level mutants page. Apart from deleting the list, what do y'all suggest we should do. I know who's been confirmed through the 198 handbook, but the other mutants (esp the D-listers) I don't really know how to cite them. Eg Vulcan and Darwin aren't 198 because they were introduced after Decimation. Oh and sorry bout the God complex dig, but you were sounding like a lil' dictator for a tad (this is a joke)Originalsinner 04:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
So that's the Civil War, Decimation, and Omega-level lists that are having problems with uncited listings. Can you think of any others? I'm going to take this to the WP:CMC talk page so that maybe a larger group of editors can find a solution. --Chris Griswold(☏) 05:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Not off the top of my head but I'll keep you posted. It does annoy me as well with all the uncited crud. Didn't realise Civil War was being screwed over as well. Originalsinner 19:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be some confusion over mutants COVERED in the Official Handbooks of the Marvel Universe and who was revealed still powered. Mondo, Mastermind II, etc. may have had entries, but their whereabouts and mutant statuses are still unknown. Also, I have no idea where people are getting all these real name listings for characters like Mondo.
As I said, Eric J Moreels told me that the mutants who were in the Handbooks, and not listed as powered or depowered are supposed powered. That's why their powers are listed in the present tense, for instance. And the name is just people who like to write crap. And by the way, how do you make your name appear ? I can't do that/don't know how. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) -- 13 October 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) 18:40 October 13, 2006
Why did somebody delete that list ? -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siemgi (talk • contribs)


On another note, I don't believe Quake is actually classified as a mutant with an X-Gene, so I don't think she applies. M.Factor 21:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed the 198 list

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#"Factual" Lists, e.g. X-Men: The 198 Files for details. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The 198 Files

Since this is a book, with entries about the powered mutants, I don't see why people keep telling that its unreferenced statement. And it's no more copyright violation than citing other names is it ?-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) -- 13 October 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) 18:43 October 13, 2006

Actually it is since it's the "exact" list Marvel bought out hence a copyright violation. Originalsinner 18:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, then every article is a copyright violation. And who f***ed the whole powered part up ?-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) -- 15 October 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) 21:20 October 15, 2006
Please sign your posts by adding ~~~~. Additionally, please calm down. Take a moment to read WP:CIVIL. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 21:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Well I'm not calming down. I am just done here, fed up of constantly trying to make articls better only to have it edited out. Siemgi
Just a thought. Why not make the list just like the depowered list? That'd make it clearer wouldn't it ?
You know what's fun? My work was contantly edited out but that article is a real mess, with fake names, non-mutants and errors. If you really want us to look at you as a moderator Chris, then at least to your job correctly.
You're right: This article is a mess. It's also not a very important article, and I have a life other than Wikipedia which precludes me from fixing all of your sloppy work. Let's wipe the article and start over. Being an admin is not my job, and, actually, I don't ask that you look at me as anything; I'd prefer you not look at me altogether. If you want me to take anything you say seriously from now on, register an account. Oh, and try not to violate copyright anymore. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 23:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
The last time I tried to make some clean up it was dubbed vandalism. So what should I do ?Siemgi.
So, I begna doing some clean up. Feel free to help. Siemgi

[edit] Remove Shadow King

It is stated by the Shadow King himself that he is not the Shadow King of this dimension along with the along with all the other extra dimensional X-Men that fought New Excalibur.-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.81.95 (talk • contribs) -- 14 October 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.81.95 (talk • contribs) 17:29 October 14, 2006

[edit] Captain Britian

Not a mutant. Please remove. He's related to two very powerful ones but his powers are magical based just as Lion Heart's.-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.81.95 (talk • contribs) -- 14 October 2006 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.81.95 (talk • contribs) 17:31 October 14, 2006

[edit] Felicia Hardy and the Owl

Hi

I was wondering if both Felicia Hardy and the Owl should be included in the confirmed mutants section since both are mutants. Though Felicia is a latent mutant who under went a process to "release" her bad luck powers. The Owl though is a mutant. Just thought I'd ask before adding them.

Thanks

RIANZ 23:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too bad

I thinks it is too bad that the powered section was changed. Listing the issue in which they were reaveled powered next to them (à la depowered) would make the list clearer. And by the way Asp isn't a mutant.

Man, all this hard work and dedication to creating such a really nice list, its going to be so sad when the status quo is returned.--Mullon 04:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually Asp is a mutant. Check out her profile on Marvel.com. RIANZ 00:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Notes with the Confirmed.

Just wondering whether or not the notes really should be there since some of them do conflict with the articles of the characters eg Asp and Owl (both articles state they are mutants) or just revert to how the list was at years end. RIANZ 00:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Not Really Mutants

Ultra Girl is a mutant Kree and thus the x-factor gene is likely not part of her genetic makeup. In the Marvel Universe you must have an active x-factor gene to be considered a mutant.

Also, Wiccan and Speed are not confirmed to actually be mutants so I don't really think they belong here.


I forgot, Cloak and Dagger *aren't* mutants. They normal humans who were given powers after being given drugs laced with mutant growth hormone. Technically, they are *mutates* in the same vain as Spider-Man and the Hulk. Since they got their powers from drugs rather than the natural activation of the x-gene, they're not mutants in the Decimation sense.

Since when were Fenris not considered mutants? I have right in front of me Generation X '96 Annual, in which Andrea tells Andreas they need to get away from Synch because "when you and I are together, our mutant powers are activa--." She is then cut off by an explosion caused by Synch mimicking their powers. Not only do we have dialogue confirmation from Andrea herself, but was Synch ever shown to mimic a non-mutant? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.31.88.160 (talk) 03:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Confirmed?

Has it been confirmed that Scarlet Witch still has her powers? Or that Kimura is a mutant and not enhanced by some other means?

Also, while Namor is traditionally called "the first mutant" he gets his powers from being half Atlantian. Not from the x-factor gene. He is, actually, an Atlantean mutant which is not the same as the standard Marvel Universe mutant.

[edit] Sunfire

Isn't Shiro still a mutant? It was never shown or revealed that he lost his powers due to Wanda's Hosue of M effect. He had lost his powers because Rogue basically "drained" him in her last mini-series and the next time we see him, he's being recruited by Apocalypse.

In this sense, he still has the X-Gene, unlike Polaris who lost hers. This is what makes Sunfire a mutant still. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Volk006 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Eye-Scream

Shouldn't Eye-Scream be added to the un-confirmed list of mutants that we don't know are powered/depowered?

[edit] New Marauders

Whoever keeps adding Harpoon to the list of confirmed mutants, don't. He was confirmed depowered in New Avengers #18. And Vertigo isn't a mutant at all, she's a savage land mutate. Just because they're in the Marauders group does not mean they're mutants. Sinister himself is a mutate, and not a mutant, so there's no reason why you should assume everyone in the group must be a mutant. --156.34.91.97 10:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mentallo

Mentallo is to be considered deceased for now. In the Super-Villain Team-Up: MODOK's 11 limited series he was shown blasted and incinerated by the Ultra-Adaptoid. After said incineration he landed face down in a river, and stayed there, motionless. No one without a healing factor could survive that level of burn, and if by chance he did, there's no way someone could stay conscious during said incineration, so when he hit the water (if he wasn't already dead) he would have drowned. See images: here(1) and here(2) --Venomaru 2.0 19:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Sunfire decimation.png

Image:Sunfire decimation.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

[edit] Mulholland Black

The Order #8 shows that Mulholland Black was a mutant who lost her powers on M-Day. In that same issue she gets her powers back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skyrocket (talk • contribs) 23:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 19:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)