Talk:Decembrist revolt
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The Decembrists are all изменник, предатель to Holy Mother Russia. I am not the only one who knows this.
The article says that the Russian officer corps and army was responsible for the defeat of Napoleon, but the incompetence of the Generals on each side was even more self destructive. Also, the peasant population of Russia were very effective in guerilla campaigns, unlike the Russian army. I think the article should reflect this.
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[edit] Anecdotal remark?
Nicholas died after catching pneumonia visiting his troops in the field during 1855. The official russian defeat was concluded with the Treaty of Paris in 1856, so it is unlikely that Nicholas said anything following the Russian defeat in the Crimean war.
[edit] The date
Under which date should the event be listed? Old style, new style, or both? Currently it is listed under December 14#Events. BACbKA 10:05, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Exiles also went to Central Asia?
I propose changing the phrase "exiled to Siberia and the Far East" to "exiled to Siberia, Central Asia, and the Far East." Unfortunately I don't have the documentation anymore, but in the city where I used to live (Ust'-Kamenogorsk, Kazakhstan) we attributed some of our civic development to exiled Decembrists who moved there. They made the town a lot better (is the story) -- they built the first firehouse, with a little watchtower on top; they say it made a big difference in a day when the structures were almost all wood and the town often suffered devastating fires. I learned this years ago at the local history museum there, I've moved since then, and these are all recollections from memory.
Arguably at the time Kazakhstan simply WAS just another chunk of Siberia, but I don't think that's the best label to use anymore. And I have this notion that the exiles scattered about Central Asia, not just to this one city. Does anybody have more data about this??
LandruBek 12:16, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
- Although Kazakhstan was a part of the Russian Empire in the 1820s, most of the rest of what we call "Central Asia" wasn't. We would have to be quite specific about our terminology if we were to add other places of exile. Ahasuerus 16:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] In literature
British Dan: I was wondering if anyone could help me? The article refers to Herzen, Pushkin, Neksasov and Tolstoy all honouring the Decembrists in some manner. Could anyone specifically point me in the direction of the relevant newspapers, poems and novels in which this is done? Many thanks.
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- Pushkin wrote several moving verse epistles to his friends the Decembrists; the first volume of his Sovremennik opened with "The Feast of Peter I", a disguised plea to the tsar to grant a pardon to the Decembrists. Nekrasov wrote a tedious narrative poem "The Russian Women", about the Decembrist wives who followed their husbands to Siberia. Tolstoy authored "The Decembrists", a novel which gradually evolved into "War and Peace". I'm not sure about Herzen, but "My Past and Thoughts" opens with his (and Ogarev's) vow to carry on the campaign started by the Decembrists; the cover of his London periodical shows the silhouettes of those Decembrists executed after the rebellion. --Ghirla -трёп- 06:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Dan: Thank you. I understand that Lenin referred favourably to the Decemberists, how are they remembered in post-Soviet Russia? monuments? street names etc?
The article says -"With the failure of the Decembrists, Russia's monarchial absolutism would continue for another century, although serfdom would be officially abolished in 1861." the Revolt took place in 1825 and Russia had constitution in 1906. The monarchy disappeared in 1917, - from 1925 to 1906, hardly a full century.Roobit
[edit] Article not well organized
JamesW: The article is somewhat confusing. The northern and southern societies are introduced without explanation; Nicholas II puts down the northern revolt in paragraph 2, then it continues in the next three paragraphs; the southern society lunches an insurrection, but where is not indicated (was it Moscow)) A standard organization of an article of this type would be: 1. Summary; 2: Antecedents (the two societies and their membership, influence of French Revolution and Napoleonic wars. objectives of plotters, etc) 3. The course of the revolts and their failure; 4. Aftermath (punishments, exiles, Tsar's policy; 5. Long-term impact; 6. Assessment. I'm sorry I can't help on any of this. ≈≈≈≈JamesW≈≈≈≈ 4 May 2007
