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Contents 1 styles 2 re:screename 3 Alexandra of Greece 4 Your thank you 5 regarding User Arrigo 6 Chad Brock 7 you destroyed an old disambiguation page 8 Re: WP:AN/I matter involving Arrigo 9 Hi Deb, 10 Thanks for the response 11 Duplicate Articles 12 Scottish Coat of Arms 13 Ashida who? 14 My RfA 15 Roger Federer 16 Help with moving articles 17 VFD: Bracketed songs 18 Darren Almond 19 Catholic Encyclopedia 20 Bet Lynch 21 Invitation 22 An award 23 Welcome to Esperanza! 24 Hiya 25 Hi 26 Willie Whistle 27 Lucille 28 Afd 29 Category Deletion: Natives of West Glamorgan 30 Deleted stub 31 Question 32 Hi Deb 33 Clarity 34 Thanks 35 Ernest Zobole 36 Wikipedia:Deletion review#Treigloffobia 37 Esperanza elections 38 News from Esperanza 39 Hong Kong articles 40 Med-peds 41 Alexander, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia 42 Barnstar for you! 43 Happy Crimbo! 44 Mixed Martial Arts entries 45 Esperanza Elections 46 "New drama" on the "year in literature" pages 47 Happy New Year 48 Merci beaucoup 49 Angela Brazil 50 "Posh Spice Takes it Up the Arse" 51 thank you! 52 Princess Augusta Charlotte of Wales 53 User talk pages 54 Ken's wives 55 Thanks! 56 Category:Years in art 57 Eye See You redirect 58 Wikipedia:Welsh Wikipedians' notice board 59 Hwyl 60 Article creation 61 Viktor Nessler 62 Henrich Steffens 63 Another Esperanzial note... 64 MGA Entertainment 65 Baldwin IV of Jerusalem and his nose 66 Frausdots 67 Thanks 68 your input 69 question 2 70 Hesse and by Rhine 71 Talk:Lady Jane Grey#Requested move 72 Carson Gulley 73 On David Bayne 74 George Sassoon 75 your input 76 RE: George Sassoon 77 Queen Anne-Marie 78 Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1

[edit] styles

Hey, Deb

Given the endless debate/rows etc over styles I've been thinking as to what is the best way to come up with a consensus solution. Styles have to be in an article, but using them upfront is, I think, a mistake and highly controversial. I've designed a series of templates which I think might solve the problem. There are specific templates for UK monarchs, Austrian monarchs, popes, presidents, Scottish monarchs and HRHs. (I've protected them all, temporarily, because I want people to discuss them in principle rather than battle over content and design right now.) I've used a purple banner because it is a suitable royal colour and is also distinctive. They are eyecatching enough to keep some of the pro-styles people happy; one of their fears seemed to be that styles would be buried. But by not being used they are neutral enough to be factual without appearing to be promotional. I'd very much like your views. I'm going to put them on a couple of user pages and ask for a reaction. There needs to be a calm debate on them this time. FearÉIREANN\^{(caint) 03:15, 10 August 2005 (UTC)}

Monarchical Styles of Queen Victoria
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Styles of Pope Paul VI
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Monarchical styles of Franz Josef of Austria-Hungary
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Monarchical Styles of James V of Scotland
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Styles of Mary McAleese, President of Ireland
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Styles of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall
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[edit] re:screename

I just played that part in the Rodgers and Hammerstein play the King and I. So i decided to use it as my username. kralahome 05:42, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alexandra of Greece

Your help/input is urgently request at Talk:Alexandra of Greece. User:Matjlav and User:Arrigo are merrily moving things around, completely screwing up all the links. Noel (talk) 00:56, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

PS: I don't usually check other User_talk: pages (so that I don't have to monitor a whole long list of User_Talk: pages - one for each person with whom I am having a "conversation"), so please leave any messages for me on my talk page (above); if you leave a message for me here I probably will not see it. I know not everyone uses this style (they would rather keep all the text of a thread in one place), but I simply can't monitor all the User_talk: pages I leave messages on. Thanks!

PPS: You probably ought to archive your talk page again... Noel (talk) 00:56, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Not a problem; I've been busy with Japanese emperors, and all sorts of other things! The discussion is now at Talk:Princess Alexandra of Greece (it's now a disambig page, we're trying to agree on names for the individuals, other than Alexandra of Greece, who does appear to be properly named). Anyway, if I could get a second opinion from you on what name we should use for the first one, I'd really appreciate it; I have suggested something, but I'm not sure if it's the best option. It has to move from where it is now, because I'm going to turn that into a disambig page too. Noel (talk) 21:58, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your thank you

I'm rather ashamed to admit that I can't remember what I might have done for you to thank me for. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 22:24, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

LOL This is going to drive me nuts! Tell me now. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 22:29, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Ahah! It has to do with an anon! Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 22:36, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] regarding User Arrigo

hi there Deb, Arrigo has been unilaterally moving articles all over the place, such as Emperor Jimmu of Japan for example. The users actions are quite amazing I think. Are there any suggestions as to what can be done? with kind regards.. Gryffindor 22:40, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

There was no discussion on each emperor's page specifically; rather, the topic was considered en masse at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles). General consensus seeming to have been reached, Jefu and I are moving them all to the new consensus names. Noel (talk) 20:18, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Deb, welcome back. Thanks for your message. Yes I have been in touch with user Jefu and he seems to be taking care of things just fine. Therefore I have no further questions regarding this issue at the moment. The behaviour of Arrigo continues to be troublesome, if you take a look at Thai royals. One example is Princess Srinagarindra, The Princess Mother of Thailand. with kind regards Gryffindor 11:02, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chad Brock

Can you give me five minutes to look up his songs????? WillC 22:00, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] you destroyed an old disambiguation page

It seems to me that you just deleted the disambiguation page about various Elisabeths of Bohemia. That is something which is abuse of any deletion powers. I try to say this as kindly as possible: You better make it back. Arrigo 21:24, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: WP:AN/I matter involving Arrigo

I have moved this discussion to User talk:Arrigo since it is off-topic for the noticeboard and since the matter appears to be closed to the satisfaction of everyone present except Arrigo. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 01:18, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Deb,

Thanks for your note. Anyway, I just put everything together for when it would be needed. Probably a more "official" mediation round would still be necessary, if there ever would be a RfC: both HappyCamper and MarkSweet did some "light" advisory action which they would maybe not endorse as enough "negotiation assistance" for supporting the RfC. But, and that's the important point: maybe the notion that other wikipedians care proves enough to help the situation to calm down.

What I already communicated to others involved (some in reply to an e-mail they sent me), is that some space with enough serenity is needed, if we want to be able to talk about some sort of follow-up of the Names & Titles NC, a little less than a year after it came into existence. That in itself is a very difficult point (I read your comments to some of the votes I initiated!). So, I try to be patient, try to get possible impediments out of the way, etc, and remain confident that the wikipedia system is strong enough to get us on track for the real talk. Thanks, and see you. --Francis Schonken 20:02, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the response

Hi, Deb. Thanks for the response on Talk:Swansea. I shall try not to worry, then... :) It just galls me that whilst I spent half an hour expanding one of those stubs, and an afternoon trying to verify a claim from one of the others, the creator was off starting another dozen. I really do feel that focusing on very small areas ignores the connections and similarities and contrasts between many of those areas as wider regions, but I am obviously in the minority there. Telsa 15:03, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate Articles

I'm not 100% sure how they both have happened. I think someone may have created a redirect that another user has copied the text into, rather than renaming. They both appear to be the same text. I would say have one article at Princess Victoria, Princess Royal? Astrotrain 19:25, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

I think if Victoria Adelaide of the United Kingdom is redirected to Princess Victoria, Princess Royal then the history lost will be immatieral- they are essentially the same article text with no major noticeable differences. Astrotrain 20:02, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Scottish Coat of Arms

Hi Deb, What do you think should be the Coat of Arms displayed on the Scotland page? An edit war has been started by User:Mais oui! who wants to use the old arms of the King of Scotland, rather than the Royal Coat of Arms of Scotland. See Talk:Scotland. Astrotrain 21:49, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

NB — I am going through and disambiguating. The arms Astrotrain linked to above are no longer located at that page; they are now at Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom (for use in Scotland). Doops | talk 04:01, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ashida who?

Hi! Looks like I'm not the only one to have received these weird, threatening e-mails over something and somebody I'd never heard of. User:Drini blocked User:Ashida Kim for a bit. I had to permanently block him on my e-mail account. Tried to help him and all he could do was to rant. - Lucky 6.9 17:30, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thanks for your support in my RfA; I really appreciated it. -R. fiend 19:29, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Roger Federer

Deb, in the article Roger Federer, you changed this:

"His father met Roger's mother while on a business trip to South Africa for the Basel based chemical company Ciba Specialty Chemicals."

TO:

"His parents met while on a business trip to South Africa for the Basel based chemical company Ciba Specialty Chemicals."

The first sentence makes it clearer that HE was on the trip. Your new change can make it appear to read that they BOTH could be on a trip, like to a corporate meeting; one from office X and one from office Y, to a meeting at office Z. Your sentence reads that they could both be on a trip. There must be something better than either your sentence, or mine?

I want to make it clear that he worked in, and out of, the Basel facility, and she worked in the Johannesburg location, both of Ciba SC. They met at the Johannesburg location when Robert went to work with the sales staff in Johannesburg.

What do you think ?

WikiDon 20:50, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Help with moving articles

I was wondering if I could get your help. Noticed that you spend a lot of time in the royalty area, and that is where I can usually be found. It seems that we need to move Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg, back to where it was before Arrigo got his hands on it. But, seeing as how I never moved a page before, I was looking for a little help. Would be greatly appreciated. Thanx. Prsgoddess187 23:43, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks again for the help. Hopefully, it won't be moved again anytime soon. Prsgoddess187 22:12, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Deb, tx for helping out on the princess Alexandra move! Of course, doing the move without the cleanup is only half the work done. No offense intended, I know all of us will still be cleaning up some time on inadvertedly moved royalty pages ;) - I just wanted to draw your attention to Talk:Princess_Alexandra,_Countess_of_Frederiksborg#Vote_count_report --Francis Schonken 06:39, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] VFD: Bracketed songs

Just a quick message to let you know that a page that you have voted to keep in the past List of songs with brackets in their titles, is up for deletion againhere :( David 5000 18:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Darren Almond

Sorry about reverting your deletion - I was a bit quick on the draw with the nn-bio tag. Turns out that he's a notable artist so I put a little context in there and made it a stub. I'll add more later as I glean it from the Web! Cheers. Tonywalton  | Talk 13:33, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

My mistake. I should have googled before tagging it :-) No harm done. Tonywalton  | Talk 13:42, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Catholic Encyclopedia

I've noticed you have worked on an article that is covered by the public domain Catholic Encyclopedia. While a religious resource, there is a great deal of impartial information about historical events, persons and ideas that are covered by the CE. I've created a project page for the Catholic Encyclopedia as part of the Missing encyclopedic articles project to coordinate incorporation of relevant information from the CE into wikipedia. I would appreciate any help you can offer in the project. Reflex Reaction 21:17, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bet Lynch

I wrote a new article, and I was shocked to see it wasn't there, considering someone wrote a lot of Corrie-related articles recently. Check it out. Mike H (Talking is hot) 05:05, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I've also added pictures to Annie Walker, Emily Bishop, etc. Mike H (Talking is hot) 08:03, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation

Hi i'd like to invite you to become a player in the online historical role playing game that i belong to - http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/SHWI-ISOT/ - we've been running it for a while and we could use a player from Wales. PMA 11:28, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] An award

Hello Deb, this is to say thank you for being one of the nicest users here when the going went tough back then. Also, if you are interested in joining Esperanza? with kind regards.. Gryffindor 20:58, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

I will not forget your words of encouragement when the going went tough with Arrigo. That user might come back one day, but you were a source of support, and therefore you are nice :-) Welcome to Esperanza. Gryffindor 20:38, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to Esperanza!

Bratsche^{talk | Esperanza} 02:59, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hiya

Yup, I'm back. I'm definitely a Wikiholic!!! I was wondering where you had gone to. Glad to see you are back too. :-) FearÉIREANN\^{(caint) 00:01, 1 November 2005 (UTC)}

[edit] Hi

Hi Deb. Yes, I'm bouncing back and forth between wici and wiki at the moment. Rhion 17:16, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey Debs,

Haven't seen you around for a while.

You might want to take a look at Talk:Côte d'Ivoire. International usage on all major English speaking medias, as well as WP Manual of Style and NCs, suggest that that page should be at Ivory Coast. I proposed that it be moved. A lot of people insist that whatever the evidence most English speakers use Côte d'Ivoire and oppose a move tooth and nail. Given your commitment to actually using professional encyclopædic standards on WP, your opinions would be more than welcome. FearÉIREANN\^{(caint) 02:35, 13 November 2005 (UTC)}

[edit] Willie Whistle

Hi. I see that you deleted the article with this name. It actually wasn't nonsense, as such. This clown did appear on channel 38 in Boston, Mass, as the cohost of a children's show. The article was missing important context, and I'm not 100% sure the topic is encyclopedic. But someone may decide to recreate it, and it may help to know some of the context.Bjones 18:26, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I would think that at the very least the author of the article was unfamiliar with Wiki format.Bjones 04:00, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lucille

I wrote a stub on the actress who played Lucille Hewitt oh-so-long ago, but there isn't a lot that can be said about her. Maybe you can help by taking a look at it. Mike H [[User_talk:Mike Halterman|(Talking is hot)]] 07:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Afd

Hey Deb,

I've opened up an AFD for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Naming conventions (Western nobility). That article was created in effect as an alternative to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles) and then rewritten by the author, in a cut and paste. I strongly disapprove of someone doing a cut and paste of one article, moving it to a new (badly named) page and editing it without a consensus (or even it would seem an awareness among people that this new page existed), and in the process losing the old article's edit history. As a longtime contributor on the topic of royal and noble naming to the original page and to many articles in the area you might wish to cast a vote on the issue. [[user_talk:Jtdirl]] 00:10, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category Deletion: Natives of West Glamorgan

Hiya, I realised I made an error of judgement by putting people into this category. Can we hold fire on deletion on Category:Natives of Glamorgan for now, while I re-categorise the people in this list to the modern administrative counties, which is the more common categorisation of natives.

In the mean time, can you do me a favour - I don't know how to nominate articles for deletion - can you nominate natives of Category:Natives of South Glamorgan for me. This is similar to the one you have nominated for deletion and it is already empty. Thanks! (Sloman 20:54, 28 November 2005 (UTC))

[edit] Deleted stub

Deb - thanks, you're fast. I created that, then realized I misspelled the title, so I took out the content and made a new stub. I planned to put a Speedy request on it, but you got to it before I did. Thanks again. | Klaw Talk 18:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

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God you're quick! Thankx for making the redirect link to Moscow. -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 22:35, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Have you visited Romania? I'm just curious. -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 22:39, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Nice. I hope it won't be the last time when you visit Romania. Romania is very diverse so you can find a lot of incredible places. By the way the movie Cold Mountain with Nikole Kidmann was turned in Romania. -- Bonaparte talk & contribs 22:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Hi! Saw you over on the recent changes page. I have a question; can I ask you in an e-mail? - Lucky 6.9 17:44, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. On my way! - Lucky 6.9 17:47, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Oops...you don't have an e-mail posted. Can you e-mail me and I'll respond that way? - Lucky 6.9 17:48, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks.  :) - Lucky 6.9 20:20, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Deb

Hi Deb; it's high time I said hello. I really appreciate the work you are doing, e.g. Leclair (ah, that juicy murder story); years in music; and much, much else. Glad to meet another long-time Wikipedian who hasn't burned out yet. Best wishes, Antandrus (talk) 23:01, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clarity

I reverted a user because I was under the impression that Ken Barlow and Janet Reid divorced. The edits seemed sound except for one where the poster said that Janet left Ken in May 1974, and they were just separated (but still legally married). I'm almost 100% sure that they were not married by the time Janet killed herself in 1977. Can you shed some light on the subject at the talk page? Mike H. That's hot 03:37, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Sorry about restoring that paragraph, I judged to quickly. Thanks for letting me know about NPOV. I'm new, and am just still learning the policies; I'll make sure to look more carefully, before editing articles in the future. CanDo 23:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ernest Zobole

Why do you feel the information needs verifying? Zobole is a very well-known artist in Wales and there is plenty of info about him on the web. Deb 18:30, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I didn't put up the verification flag, so I can't comment on it directly, however since there is so much information on Zobole on the net, you shouldn't have a problem verifying the info. Remember that asking for verifiction doesn't mean the person inherently disbelieves what's on the page (although they might), it means you simply have to cite your facts. --Bachrach44 18:39, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Deletion review#Treigloffobia

Would you mind taking a look at this WP:DRV case? It turns on some issues in Welsh morphology that no competent Welsh speaker has tackled (I posted some cy.wikipedia editors, but none responded), and I'd be unhappy if the DRV closed without this issue being nailed down. --- Charles Stewart 20:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Hiya Deb,

Felix Dies Nativitatis

Your comments would be welcome at Prime Minister. One user, without even bothering to go through the proper procedures, wants to rename the article Prime minister and keeps moving it to push that version!!! While there is an article for all uppercasing or all lowercasing, half-casing (which is all WP allows, as all lowercasing is not possible in article titles) would produce a semi-literate mess that would make WP a laughing stock. A student who writes the title that way in an essay earns an instant fail because it is seen as such a monumental clanger. With all the attacks WP is under right now, the last thing WP needs is to make it look as though it does not know how to write the title of the office of premier correctly. What next? Lord mayor? United states? FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 23:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza elections

[edit] News from Esperanza

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[edit] Hong Kong articles

hi deb - if you find any more of those stubby hong kong island articles, could you mark them HK-geo-stub rather than just geo-stub - itd save me a bit of work later :) thanx BL kiss the lizard 23:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

s'ok :) i was just worried becuase the articles said there were 230 islands. i didnt want to have to restub them all if the editor who made those others makes the lot! BL kiss the lizard 23:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Med-peds

Hi there! I'm curious as to what happened to the Med-peds article. I saw it pop up on "recent changes" as a new article. When I saw that the author (User:Rpatten) didn't cite any sources, so I went off to my search engine to see if I could help a newbie with the verification process. I come back to see that Rpatten has wiped the content and you followed up by deleting the article. I have zero opinion as to whether this is a worthwhile topic or anything; I'm just trying to get a handle on what happened so that I can feel like a little less of a n00b myself. --Mareino 20:36, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation!--Mareino 20:48, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alexander, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia

Would it be possible to move this back to where it belongs. It seems that people weren't happy with moving the Greek royal family, now they have moved on. Thanks, and have a happy holiday. Prsgoddess187 20:47, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Yup. Was just leaving a message on your page. Zeech. These renamers are causing chaos all over the place recently. Great to see you around, BTW. Have a Christmas card . . .

Felix Dies Nativitatis

Best of luck and Merry Christmas. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 21:00, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

A vote has been called to rename Alexander, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia to Aleksandar Karađorđević. The renamers have at least stopped constant unilateral renaming (at last!). Please come, express your opinion and vote. Slán. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 21:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar for you!

[edit] Happy Crimbo!

Have a Proper and Merry Crimbo. Image:Pressie.gif, in fact here is a pressie from the Doctor to you. Ho. Ho. Ho! Dr. McCrimbo 23:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mixed Martial Arts entries

Hi Deb - thanks for the message. In regards to your point that the entries I've been making should be more notable, I was wondering what kind of guideline I should be using for that? Generally I've been relying on two sites, the Sherdog Fight Finder and Fightergirls.net. Should I restrict it to only those fighters with a certain number of fights, titles etc? Slideyfoot 15:39, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Elections

Thank you for your vote! Please let me know if I can help you as an advisory council member in the future. karmafist 01:01, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi mate,

You may remember the war on styles that was waged some time ago and the eventual compromise reached which meant that styles (Holiness, Majesty, Royal Highness, etc) are no longer used in royalty articles. A series of templates were created to enable users to warn other users who attempt to reinsert styles into articles that that is no longer WP policy. However a user who is trying to get a whole series of templates deleted has nominated them on the WP:TFD for deletion. I am thoroughly fed up having to defend necessary templates from the minority of deletion police on WP who seem to act as a group: one nominates, then the rest all vote to agree with them. All help to defend the necessary templates in the styles series gratefully received. Thanks. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 19:02, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "New drama" on the "year in literature" pages

Hi, whether this was your idea or someone else's, whether it has been discussed at length somewhere or not, I think the "New drama" sections are a very good idea. Personally, I've been reluctant so far to add any plays because I'm not quite sure if there are any restrictions (prize-winning? commercial success? by country/language? whatever) and if you are following some systematic approach. There are already too many people here at Wikipedia working against each other, so please let me know. All the best, <KF> 19:48, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year

Regards, Arno 09:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merci beaucoup

Hello Deb, thank you for your support in the Esperanza election. Let me know if I can do anything for you in return. with kind regards Gryffindor 16:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Angela Brazil

Thanks for your input. Skull 'n' Femurs 17:53, 10 January 2006 (UTC) I only got into this by finding a link to the Melling School series of books. And then it was gone. Whatever... Back to bashing Freemasonry bashers then... Skull 'n' Femurs 20:53, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Posh Spice Takes it Up the Arse"

I have added this to the Redirects for Deletion page. Click here to add your vote:[1] Camillus (talk) 23:43, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thank you!

I was having trouble changing the small g in Guettler to a capital G! THANK YOU!

[edit] Princess Augusta Charlotte of Wales

This page was moved to the absurd title of Princess Augusta Charlotte of Great Britain. Her father was never King, he died while the Prince of Wales, so it doesn't matter if she died before or after him. She should be moved back. Can you do this. Not sure how to revert a move once it has been edited. Should we just move again. Thanks for the help.Prsgoddess187 18:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Long explanation given at talk page! Astrotrain 20:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User talk pages

(copied from User_talk:Nick_Levine): Hi. I deleted the new page which I don't think you meant to create. Nice try, though! Deb 18:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Deb. Sorry I got that wrong, what I'd meant to do was to edit their talk page. No idea how I slipped onto the User page. I see User talk:24.97.179.166 that user has been blocked now (for today, that is). Thanks. Nick Levine 04:19, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey Debs,

A belated happy new year.

A user just changed the opening of Diana, Princess of Wales to refer to her as Diana Spencer. To be honest I have been thinking that that needs to be done for a long time. It is crazy that Diana, as a (former) royal consort, is still at her death name when others who died subsequently have long since reverted to the standard royal biographical format of maiden name. It isn't as if we can even use the most common name rule to justify it given that far more people would use the non-existent Princess Diana than D,P o W. In addition, D, P o W lapsed as a style on her death. I'd be interested to hear your views before formally proposing it. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 20:36, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ken's wives

Now all of Ken's wives have articles. See Janet Reid and tell me what you think. Reword some stuff for BE if need be. I didn't know if "told her off" was in BE. Mike H. That's hot 09:47, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Hey Deb: Thanks for your vote in my favor at the Arbitration elections. It looks like I will lose, however. But Im not hanging up the gloves until 23:59, January 22!

Anyways, thanks so much and God bless you!

Sincerely yours, Antonio No Barrier Man Martin

[edit] Category:Years in art

All these NNNN in art articles you're creating seem to be unmaintainable. Have you thought about more granular groupings such as decade-in-art? —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-25 09:21Z

Hi. I'm not sure why you say that the "years in art" articles are unmaintainable. They are in line with the years in topic for literature, music, etc. All I'm really doing is filling in blanks that already exist. Deb 12:51, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

You're right that there are other "year in X" series. I think all the "year in X" articles are unmaintainable; if something is globally wrong we need to start complaining somewhere right? See List of state leaders in 18 BC, List of state leaders in 18BC, List of state leaders in 17 BC for an example of what I mean by unmaintainable. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-25 18:09Z

[edit] Eye See You redirect

Thanks for doing that. I wasn't sure what it should go under. I'll know for next time. Pally 18:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Welsh Wikipedians' notice board

I've created a fairly simple Wikipedia:Welsh Wikipedians' notice board (shortcut WP:WWNB) to try to get things started. Please have a look and consider signing on, adding it to your watchlist and helping to make sure any users with an interest in the subject know about it. Also please feel free to add things and to change anything you feel needs changing – I'm not under the impression that I own it! Rhion 19:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hwyl

Hi Deb - lucky you caught me when you did! I've just been offline for a week thanks to having to look after my Mam when she's not well... Anyway, are you trying to block someone and using the drop-down menu of periods of time to block them for? I think this is the problem - when the box first appeared, I tried editing the periods into Welsh but found they didn't work, which is why I changed them back to English. Obviously someone else has tried to do it, too. Could you try putting "24 hours" or "7 days" or whatever in the "arall" box and seeing if it works? -- Arwel (talk) 23:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article creation

I have been looking through the list of unwatched pages (available only to administrators) and found 1815 in art. I see that you created this but were not watching it. You may want to go to your preferences and under the "editing" tab turn on "Add pages you edit to your watchlist". This will enable you to keep an eye out for any edits that are made to pages you create and help to revert vandalism. If you do decide to turn it on can you please drop me a note on my talk page so I can cut down my excessive watchlist. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 03:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks anyway. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Viktor Nessler

Thank you for contributing to this article. I note that you give an alternative spelling. What is the basis for this? At the Opera Project Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera we are following the New Grove Dictionary of Opera as our main source and this does not mention the other spelling. I also wonder why the 1911 Britannica is cited. Surely this is hardly reliable? Or was this from the other page which you merged? Best.

Kleinzach 00:30, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Deb. I'll go ahead and make a few small changes then. The merger/redirect is certainly useful.

Thank you for your offer of help. We do have a few things that need fixed which are beyond our technical skills! One anomaly is that the operetta categories are independent of the opera ones although operetta is supposed to be a genre of opera. It may be simple to bring the operetta branch back into the opera tree. I'd be grateful if you have any ideas! Best

Kleinzach 13:20, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Henrich Steffens

You've just turned this into a redirect to Henrik Steffens with the edit summary "redirect to duplicate article" — but not only were the articles not duplicates, they contradicted each other. Your redirect essentially chose one over the other, with no reason that I can see. I've reverted the change, and added merge templates to the two articles. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you felt that the work had to be done so quickly; I suppose that, without the "merge" notice there was the possibility of confusion, but in merging them on the run, the article that you chose to keep reads rather oddly (e.g.: "He moved back to Germany, to return to Denmark only occasionally. Schleiermacher was so much struck by their excellence that he endeavoured, unsuccessfully, to obtain for Steffens a chair in the new Berlin University in 1804"). I'll rewrite it, but a period of discussion and consensus wouldn't have hurt. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I've merged the material, so that it makes sense and is presented in chronological order. It's true that, having recently copy-edited and wikified one article I was personally peeved to see it simply turned into a redirect to another article full of typing errors and poor formatting, but the real issue was the content. Having just merged the material, I must say that I disagree that there was very little difference. Still, it's all finished now. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:02, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another Esperanzial note...

Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,
--Celestianpower ^háblame 09:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
(message delivered by FireFox using AWB on Celestianpower's behalf)

[edit] MGA Entertainment

Please make sure that when you mark something as a stub, you use a category, not just "stub." you can find a list of them at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types Matt White 19:14, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Baldwin IV of Jerusalem and his nose

Or lack of one: I didn't mention this in my edit to the article, since his noselessness was depicted in the film, whereas his blindness and inability to walk weren't. Silverwhistle 22:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry - I had thought it was you, just not logged in!

Silverwhistle 21:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Frausdots

Hi Deb. I'm just dropping you a note to say I undeleted Frausdots, which you speedied. They're a band on a reasonably important label Sub Pop. I've actually got their debut album (it's not bad). I'll expand the article to more clearly establish notability. Have a good weekend. Leithp 21:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks Deb. I was halfway through sorting out the "multiple people" article at Ernest Jones when I got a phone call. Hey presto, when I returned to sort out the mess at Ernest Jones (disambiguation), someone (you) had already done it! If only that always happened... --Mais oui! 18:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] your input

Hi Deb, I have a question about moving this article Cecylia Renata to her maiden form as queen consort, looking forward to your input... with kind regards Gryffindor 16:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] question 2

hi Deb, I am having problems with User:Cfvh moving articles of consorts such as Princess Alice of the United Kingdom to Alice of the United Kingdom without prior discussion. Similar thing happened to Princess Viktoria Luise of Prussia, which I reverted. IMO since the husbands of these ladies were not sovereign anymore, the rule on queen-consorts does not apply. The German monarchies gave up their sovereignty in the strict sense to the German Empire in 1871. The rule on consorts IMO applies only to monarchies that were completely sovereign and independent, and not if they were a subgroup (in German: Bundesfürsten) as they became part of the higher nobility (Hochadel). The only sovereign monarchy after 1871 was in that case the Hohenzollern of the German Empire. User:Cfvh has been moving these articles without prior discussion, even though I already pointed out to him he should discuss these things first.... maybe I'm totally wrong, but I'm quite sure that the rule does not apply to nobility. looking forward to your opinion, thanks. Gryffindor 12:47, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

• Gee I make one suggestion to keep things consistent, and whoo boy! This should be fun. Prsgoddess187 12:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

•  :) Thanks for the support. I know. Just having fun with it. Isn't it fun to watch how a simple question/request turns into an intense discussion/arguement (depending on who is involved sometimes) over WP:NC and encyclopedia naming conventions in general. Will be fun to see how this turns out. Personally I think if the Grand Duchy was an independent sovereignty, then the consorts should be named as empress/queen consorts. We'll see. Prsgoddess187 18:41, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hesse and by Rhine

Thanks for taking the time to leave me a message. Please note Hesse and by Rhine at Talk:Alice of the United Kingdom. Charles 20:20, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Discussion is now at Talk:Hesse-Darmstadt. Charles 17:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Lady Jane Grey#Requested move

Talk:Lady Jane Grey#Requested move please see my comment on cut and paste move. --Philip Baird Shearer 09:36, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carson Gulley

Hi there. You voted to delete the article on Carson Gulley - understandable, as the way it was written suggested he was only famous for inventing a pie only known at one university. Having done some research I've discovered he was a little more notable than that, and I've added some extra stuff to the article. It's still borderline, and I'd understand you still voting to delete, but I wanted to give you a heads-up and the opportunity to reconsider. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 12:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On David Bayne

hey deb this page that you just deleted is currently under construction so can yoou please not delete it again and it will have relevance Tunafishcrum

[edit] George Sassoon

I got your message about George Sassoon. I agree it would be interesting to know about his surviving child since she would apparently be Siegfried Sassoon's only remaining descendent. However, I had not even heard of George until I read his obituary last night, and it did not mention anything about the surviving child other than that it was a daughter. However, I will try to research this. Academic Challenger 02:27, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] your input

hi Deb, I have a question for you concerning this topic here Talk:Marie Josepha, your input is greatly appreciated as always, thank you... Gryffindor 13:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

hi Deb, sorry to bother you again, but your input is appreciated again on this one Talk:Maria Josefa of Saxony as well as Talk:Marie-Anne of Austria and Talk:Archduke Albert of Austria (1817-1895)? These are going to be the last cases for now, thank you for your time. Gryffindor 19:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: George Sassoon

George's daughters name is Kendall Sassoon. She has 2 children and lives near Leicester, UK.--EmptySkuLL 16:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Queen Anne-Marie

Hi Deb, could you check out Talk:Anne-Marie of Greece and contribute a vote? Thanks. Charles 22:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1

Reach out Reach out is a program aimed at allowing users to bring issues that they have had in Wikipedia to a listening, sympathetic and caring audience: "No one can know how we feel if we do not say. We cannot expect to get understanding if we do not ask for it. No one will dispute that sometimes life's issues are too much for one person. It is fair to say that sometimes Wikipedia's problems fall under the same heading. This is a place where you can bring the bruises that can sometimes be got on this project for attention." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Note from the editor Welcome to this new format of the Esperanza Newsletter, which came about during the last Advisory Council meeting - we hope you like it! The major changes are that each month, right after the Council meeting, this will be sent out and will include two featured programs and a sum up of the meeting. Also, it will be signed by all of the Advisory Council members, not just Celestianpower. Have an Esperanzial end of March, everyone!

The last AC meeting (full log) Future meetings are to be held monthly, not fortnightly as before. Bans and Access level changes (apart from autovoice) in the IRC channel are to be reported at the new log. In the IRC channel, there is going to be only one bot at a time. The charter requires members to have 150 edits and 2 weeks editing. Why this is the case will be clarified. A new Code of Conduct will be drafted by JoanneB and proposed to the Esperanza community. The NPA reform idea is to be dropped officially. Charter ammendments are to be discussed in future, not voted on. The Advisory Council is not going to be proposed to be expanded by the Advisory Council themselves, if others want to propose it, they will listen. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 17:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)