Talk:Debagging

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From Locus populations:

Debagging is suprisingly done much more by females than by males,[citation needed] probably because females often wear more clothing with elastic waistbands such as shorts and skirts, which makes the victim easier to debag.[citation needed]It can also be that females find it easier to get away with such beahviour as their actions are less likely to be considered agressive and mostly taken as good natured prank. Females often do this because of reasons such as revenge, embarrassment, or just to expose the other girl's colorful panties.[citation needed] It is also done in the hope that the victim is wearing skimpy underwear, such as thongs.[citation needed]

From Etymology:

Debagging has also been called "shanking" and "dacking."[citation needed] Various regional English dialects have numerous other names.[citation needed]

There are, in fact, additional names for "the act of pulling someone's pants down." Type words in a search engine to confirm that other terms are in usage. None of these words, nor the so-called,"standard" British English or American English words are going to be found in a dictionary or any formal scientific writing. This is because when the English language was created there was no such prank.

As far as the American English word, "pants," goes, the word underwent semantic shift because once the prank came into being, people had to call it something. That is why "pants" is in dictionaries as a noun and not as a verb. The word, as a verb, is informal. If that is not confusing enough, many Americans dispute the word and say that the proper word is "depants." I, personally, do not like this word because it sounds stupid to add a prefix to this interesting word!

The rest needs work. I don't have time to do it. Someone? EthanL (talk) 06:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sexual connotations?

Dunno if this is just my area, but pantsing is generally pulled off simply as a prank, and nobody thinks of it as pervy or gay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.80.129 (talk) 21:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You have to be kidding me.

Why the heck is this article titled Debagging? it absolutely needs to be called depantsing or something. Debagging makes no sense.--K1000 04:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposing for Deletion

Yea, I don't really think that this page has any type of encyclopedic merit. Please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deleting_an_article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:SD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT
IloveMP2yea 22:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


DebaggingPantsing — It's the most common name for the subject, as debagging is only used in some English schools, while pantsing is used in most of the United States —— Arthur Rubin | (talk) 00:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

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[edit] Discussion

Any additional comments:

The verb debag:

The closest I can find to "pants" as a verb in any dictionary is the reference to "depants" at Dictionary.com: "Slang. to remove the trousers from, as a joke or punishment." I have looked for "pants" as a verb, "pantsing", and "depants(ing)" at OneLook dictionary search (which looks through 800 dictionaries, plus I checked Chambers, which for some reason OneLook doesn't cover. So three dictionary refs for "debag", one for "depants", and none for "pants". "Debag" is verified from three reliable sources, and British English is an acceptable variant for writing articles in. --SigPig |SEND - OVER 05:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Wrong guideline, indeed. First, the definitions above suggest that the word exists in (some, but not all, variants) of British English, but not necessarily with the meaning used here. The word and/or suggestion "punishment" does not appear in the article. Second, Pantsing was deleted at AfD, and not merged into this article (contrary to the stated result). My proposal is to reverse that, and merge Debagging into the undeleted Pantsing. Hence the varient of English style guideline does not apply, but it is a choice as to which article to retain. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 16:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
  • The history of Pantsing goes back to 2005. There's no indication of a deletion. You can perform any sort of merge that's necessary using the page history. Dekimasuよ! 04:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
  • This first more-or-list legitimate entry at Pantsing was in February 2006, while Debagging was started in January 2007. Hence the "first contributor" guideline above suggests Pantsing is the appropriate term, as the articles were supposed to have been merged. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 16:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 06:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Boys who INVITE a pantsing!

Pantsing, or depantsing, as we called it in my old school, was considered a harmless tradition, which everyone – except the boy being pantsed – found amusing, and that included the teachers, and most especially, the girls in the adjoining school. In the article it is unclear if the boys’ underpants are removed or just his trousers. It was always both in my experience, and indeed in my town, there would be little discomfort proceeding purely from mere trouser removal. The rules were that only the boys who were in the First Grade could be pantsed, and then only if they were pre-pubescent. Typically, after some playful monkey business on the part of the newbie, he would be seized by a group of older “hearties”, have his trousers and pants removed, and quite often his shirt as well. Then, he would be carried to the middle of the school ground, usually near and sometimes right in the girls’ grounds, and left there to make his way as best he might.

As is common in many institutions, the youngest forms were the – usually benign – target of all sorts of pranks and japes, and so it was that the 12 year olds suffered this indignity. It’s a sort of rite of passage, and the victim’s humiliation was alleviated by his knowledge that he would be neither the first nor last to be pantsed in public, and that it would soon be HIS turn to do the same to the incoming forms that followed him. Other rules were that the boy could in no way be harmed or hurt, that the act had to be done in a good-natured, jocular fashion, and that only boys who were lively, healthy, and cheeky were fair game.

One very common and largely unacknowledged aspect of this practice was that many of the boy victims brought pantsing upon themselves by being impertinent to and over-familiar with the older pupils, even daring them to do it, and thus incurring the penalty. I am sure that they secretly enjoyed the idea of being stripped and exhibited in this way in front of their classmates and the giggling girls always close by. I know, because I brought on such a pantsing myself after ragging a group of older pupils. It was sports day and I was barefoot, dressed only in shorts, underpants and a tee shirt. All this was quickly stripped from me, and I was carried by the others – quite naked – to the girls’ grounds, where the mob, reckoning that my impertinence had been especially intolerable, elected to bind me, standing, to the chicken wire that fenced the perimeter of the girls’ basketball courts. I struggled with all my might against this outrage, but my motives were not so much to save what was left of my modesty, as to take my mind off what was becoming quite an impressive and uncontrollable erection. As it is, the boys relented, and just as well, for while the headmasters of both the boys’ and girls’ schools would overlook a simple pantsing, the provocative diorama of a naked boy seemingly crucified on a wire fence and with a deeply incongruous prong pointing to the horizon, might have led them to ban the practice altogether.

The Simpson’s, a cartoon that has touched on many themes never dealt with elsewhere, has an episode in which one of the characters – Martin – brings about his own unbreeching, as he frankly admits to himself. The incident reminded me vividly of the mild exhibitionism of my own schoolboy skylarking. A brief screenplay can be found here:

http://www.snpp.com/episodes/1F22.html

clear copyright violation removed

Notthere (talk) 09:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


http://www.snpp.com/guides/nkkd.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notthere (talkcontribs) 09:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Nope. If you can find a legitimate source, you may add the material. The Simpsons is not a source. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 16:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)