Talk:Death of John Lennon

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[edit] Misleading

This article mostly refers to musical tributes to Lennon and says nothing about his sad death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.174.243 (talk) 11:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GAR

This article could be a GA, but I know it's not something anyone will look forward to reviewing.--andreasegde (talk) 13:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I have nominated it.--andreasegde (talk) 17:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I was considering reviewing this last night but with so much else to do and considering the nature of the topic i wasnt up to it. I dont mind chiping in to get it up to GA though. Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 19:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article's title

I'm thinking that the article's title should be John Lennon's death rather than what it is now, so that it makes more sense. I think that's how most of the 'death' articles are titled, and I think that it conveys the subject matter of the article better. Thoughts? Gary King (talk) 06:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

It should be "Death of John Lennon". I'll bring it up when I review the article. Al Tally (talk) 09:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Normal disambiguation rules make it as it is. As in, The Beatles, and The Beatles (album).--andreasegde (talk) 10:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

No, not with death articles. E.g. Death of Mozart, Death of Kurt Cobain, Death of Adolf Hitler, Death of Diana, Princess of Wales, Death of Edgar Allan Poe etc. Al Tally (talk) 12:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I will change it, and thanks for pointing that out. :)--andreasegde (talk) 17:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

Article is on hold. Some comments to start with. This could very well become a good article, however, there are some things that need fixing:

• "...along with his widely-known protests..." I didn't know about it, there's no reference proving this. Kind of a peacock term imo.
  • Y Done I put something a little more anti-ASPCA :)
• "...among other political activities..." Such as? An example would be nice.
  • Y Done removed along with first comment
• Is The Dakota known as "The Dakota building" or "The Dakota"? The article suggests "building" isn't part of the name.
  • It's known as "The Dakota", but I'm assuming he says "building" not as part of the name, but as a way for the reader to figure out it's a building. It's like saying "The White House building". Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 19:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Y Done
• IMDB is not a reliable source for the Paul Goresh ref.
  • Y Done
• "The Lennons spent several hours at the Record Plant studio before returning to the Dakota at about 10:50 p.m." and "They exited their limousine on 72nd Street, even though the car could have been driven into the more secure courtyard" look like they've been copied from here... additionally, that website looks like it uses various sources for its content – it may be better to cite them instead of the website.
  • Y Done I got the New York Times article.
• This looks like a blog post, and not really a reliable source.
  • Y Done
• Geocities sites tend to be no good either, unless they cite their sources. This doesn't appear to.
  • Y Done New ref from "How Stuff Works": [1]
• Some of the prose from the article is copied in the lead. The lead should be a summary of the article, not copied from it.
  • Y Done
• Ensure all references mention the publisher (consider using citation templates).
  • Y Done
• Surely there's a more descriptive header name than "December 8, 1980"?
  • Y Done Feel free to use a better one, "Day of the Assassination" isn't too great, but I think it'll do.
• I think there is too much detail on the photograph in the start of that section. This article is about the death, and it's not particularly important.
  • Y Done? I think it's okay now. I took out the quote and the more in-depth things.
• Most of the first paragraph of the response section is unsourced.
  • Seems well sourced now
• This is not a reliable source.
  • Y Done deleted source and sentence.
• This isn't either. It's a copy of an interview. Is the original available anywhere? It would be much better to cite that, than some random Tripod homepage.
  • Y Done Here's my new ref: [2]
• I'm uncertain if this is a reliable source.
  • Y Done "How stuff works" again
• "A crowd gathered outside the Dakota on the night of Lennon's death." You've mentioned it twice already, up to the memorials and tributes section.
  • Y Done
• "Lennon continues to be mourned throughout the world and has been the subject of numerous memorials and tributes" Peacock wording again. Any other memorials/tributes we should know about?
  • Y Done?? It says the Strawberry Fields thing, do you want more?
• "Shortly after his death, Ono donated $1 million for its maintenance" She did? The source says she did, but not when.
  • • They probably didn't think it was important when she did it (and telling them they're going to get it and then transferring the money securely would have taken some time) but they were happy to get it.
• I found a link here (it's the first result in the Google search). Apparently, I can't use that site b/c it's blacklisted. I don't know what that is, but I'm assuming it's something to do with spam, so I looked on the list, and suite 101 wasn't there! Although, there was a website containing the phrase "new-york". That's stupid, if my link got blocked because of that.
  • Which list did you look at? It might be on the Meta blacklist. It doesn't matter that much. I'll see if I can find something. Al Tally (talk) 14:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
• This is not a reliable source, nor does it reference anything it is supposed to.
  • Y Done
• The final paragraph has just two sources, which don't cover what has been said.
  • Y Done

If you can fix these, let me know on my talk page, and I'll see if it can pass. Thanks, Al Tally (talk) 17:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

An image of Lennon and Chapman would be good as well. Al Tally (talk) 17:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Photos are not required for a GAR.--andreasegde (talk) 14:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I know, I said it would be "nice" :) Al Tally (talk) 14:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I've got the famous one, but it feels slightly sickening to put it on here. I was going to put it on Chapman's page, as it would be better there, no?--andreasegde (talk) 14:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

It does look eerie, knowing that he is right beside his killer. Anyway, I think it would be okay to put it here, as the photo is mentioned in the article. But you can put it on the Chapman page if you want. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 19:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Its quite horrible, i dont agree with it personally. Never mind. ;-( Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 20:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

• Reference 36 is broken and I can't find what it's supposed to be. Can you fix it please?
  • Y Done
• The lead needs work. Particularly the part about what the Chief Medical Examiner said, it's directly copied from the article. Try to summarise the whole article, and read WP:LEAD if you haven't already. Thanks, Al Tally (talk) 14:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Y Done

I would be on the side of supporting GA as a reviewer myself. Realist² ('Come Speak To Me') 16:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Agree, though I may have some bias, having completed a lot of the things in the review. Still, it's your review, not mine. Cheers, Kodster (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 19:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, it's a pass! Well done for your hard work! Al Tally (talk) 22:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)