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Someone rewrote the Dean Martin article with typos and other mistakes (given name "Dine Crochets"). Article edited for syntax, punctuation, and links. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.12.116.67 (talk • contribs) .

On a whole, this is a pretty good article. However, it needs be be rewritten in a more encyclopaedic and less tabloid style. Here are some examples of parts that need work:

Martin attributed his long-term TV popularity to the fact that he never put on airs or pretended to be anyone else onstage, but that's not necessarily true.
It's also no secret that Martin was sipping apple juice, not booze, most of the time onstage.
But Martin courageously kept his private life to himself,

--Saforrest 21:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Saforrest is right, in addition there are some important parts missing. How did he meet Frank Sinatra for example. ReverendG 03:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Corageous

Hi:

Yep. If he's a private man, keeping his health woes to himself wouldn't have been corageous, it would have been second nature. Still, most people whether celebrity or not eventually have to make some sort of announcement to family and friends about major health issues. Perhaps it might be better to say 'holding true to his private nature he...' et cetera.

[edit] Handsome?

  • All on looks, huh?
  • He's only mildly handsome, IMO
    • IMHO, you get that same "dark, mysterious" look With C.Grant.
    • IMHO that's dandy if you like the "dark, mysterious" look. *realizes something and coughs*
    • Well what else is to him besides the "dark, mysterious" look? *offers cough drops*
    • He's kinda' fun..... *runs off to dye her hair and eyes*
  • Wha..........?!? To what colo--??? Wait!!!
    • I have no dye... never mind.....or maybe I could buy some today........
  • Just because of Dean Martin?!? *remembers similar green face-paint experiance* Howabout you stick with what you've got (you'll not find any better, anyways!)!
    • I think I'm just trying to NOT look like D.M.
Well, you dont...(thank goodness!)
  • Clasic looks, a girl could drown in those eyes, very hansome.

[edit] Dean's Drinking

I removed the ridiculous caption about Dean pursuing his "favorite hobby" as POV and completely unsourced.

In fact, I think there needs to be some sourced mention in this article concerning the majority of Martin's drunken persona being completely an act with apple juice frequently posing as booze in his act. Will see what I can find of this account and while Martin certainly drank during performances he was as sober as can be and the drunk act was all part of his schtick. --Wgfinley 22:56, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

You're right, the majority of Dean's drinking was an act used by him to live up to his lovable drunk persona. I wish I had some sources to give you, but good luck. ReverendG 02:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

The advertisement for the Dean Martin Biography on Biography Chanel UK always mentioned that he often drank apple juice and wasn't fond of whiskey. Any help?

In the late 70's I worked part time for a guy named David Robertson-Inches who had the security account for Dean Martin. Dean was living in a rented home on a hill in Beverly hills with his long time Business manager and close friend Mort Viner. Dean drank from sunrise to sunset.Two large cabinets were full of Chivals Reagal,another Heinken one more Michelobe. Mort drank as well, you could get a hernia carrying out the trash.Dean had live in cook named Hilda she was Cordon Blu trained,many times he could not eat(alcohol) and there were 2:00 am Hot Turkey sandwich runs. Dean was a kind and good man, from what I could see,and in my experience of him. Dean did have a terrible alcohol problem,at least when I knew him. and this bit just doesn't belong in an encyclopedia:Stephen Echard Musgrave (talk) 03:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC) Steve em


"Back in the old days, Dino would have laughed, cleaned himself up, and then accepted the "invitation" to go out and knock back a few"

jesus... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.160.247 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Needs A Re-Write

This article is pretty un-encyclopaedic, seemingly written by a fan rather than from someone with a neutral POV - for example an exclamation mark should NEVER be used except where part of a quote. The article doesn't really touch on his days with the Rat Pack and his relationship with Sinatra and Davis Jnr. There are also far too many assumptions and as the tag at the top of the article says, not enough references and substantiations. A pity given the cultural icon status of Dean Martin.

Agreed on all points. This needs to be flagged for a comprehensive scholarly re-write.


[edit] Speakeasy croupier

The article says Martin "served as a speakeasy croupier." The "croupier" article refers to someone who works in a casino. What is a speakeasy croupier? Pha telegrapher 20:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Many speakeasies were not just places to drink illegally, but also places to gamble illegally. And a few other things as well. wikipediatrix 21:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Picture

Where is the picture from, what movie it is from etc.... (Out of interest)-C_falco-14:34 GMT

[edit] Are you serious?

The end of the trivia section said that Dean Martin was the only person to be successful in recording, film, nightclub performances, and television.

I'm assuming everyone here knows who Frank Sinatra is, right? Sinatra earned Grammys, an Oscar, and put Dean Martin on the map - without Sinatra, there wouldn't be a Dino, but without Dino, there would still be a Sinatra.

Understand that I'm a huge Dino fan, but seriously - this has to be a joke. I deleted it. ~~emailnuevo


-Edit-

I don't get what this comment is about. Saying Dino was successful at many different facets of show business is in no way an insult to Sinatra. It's just a trivial fact. Dino did alot of stuff really well. Frank while, a superior singer and actor, in the opinion of many, myself included, simply did not pursue as many facets of show business as his buddy did. When did Sinatra ever have his own TV show? That's not to say he couldn't have had one... but to my recollection he did not, while Dino did, and quite a successful one at that, as well as movies, songs, radio broadcasts, and of course, the stage act. And Dino, while perhaps not to the degree he was, would still have been famous without Frank. He started out without him with Lewis, and made many movies 'Rio Bravo, The Young Lions'... etc, before the Rat Pack boom in the early 60s even started. Frank in no way made Dino, as Dino didn't make Frank. They just complimented each other very, very well.

Bill M

Frank Sinatra had two TV series. One was for CBS circa 1952, before his big comeback in "From Here to Eternity." The show was produced by Jackie ("Valley of the Dolls") Susann's husband, Irving Mansfield. It didn't last long. After Frank's big comeback, he had another variety show for ABC in 1957. This failed also. On the other side of the coin, Frank's later TV specials earned raves and Emmys. It would certainly be true to say that Sinatra had a long association with television and was successful. But no, not as successful as Dean in that respect.

Professor Von Pie 02-02-08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Professor Von Pie (talk • contribs) 20:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citations & References

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 04:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC) Your right Sinatra had a couple of shows, but they failed and were canceled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.195.210.186 (talk) 23:36, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Simpsons

This page was just mentioned on Simpsons. It referred to how hard Dean Martin worked at his craft, which contradicted Homer. Homer said not to worry that they would change Wikipedia when they got home. Might be some vandalism; people should keep an eye on the page. Skafkas (talk) 00:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I just protected the page.Balloonman (talk) 00:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I have unprotected it per WP:PROT#Semi-protection. Stifle (talk) 11:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
(squints gravely) We'll change a lot of things when we get home. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.29.121 (talk) 09:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Birthdate

There seems to be discreptency about his date of birth between June 7 and June 17.

- the cite web includes a correction at the end of the article dealing with the mistake about the date as well as a few other mistakes in the original obit. Creol (talk) 05:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)