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[edit] POV Possibility?

I have removed this line from the opening description:

"Numerous people like to say Deadsy is an Orgy rip-off, however, Deadsy existed way before Orgy ever came about (hence, Jay Gordon was their bassist)."

Since not only does it seem pointless to bring up, there is no history detailing whether it is entirely factual and not just hearsay and/or opinion.

I know some minor information about the band and I know that Jay Gordon has worked extensively on a number of projects outside of Orgy, but so far I have been unable to turn up anything substantiating that information. TheMonkofDestiny 20:29, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
Jay Gordon recorded back up vocals for the track seagulls, as well as bass for 3 or 4 other tracks, this information is present on the "deadtv" website (voskat.net/deadtv... not deadsy.tv) and more importatnly is present in the liner notes for their album commencement. he recorded the bass/vocal parts before orgy was ever around, so the line about orgy being "inspired" by deadsy should be left in, although he was only a studio musician, and never a full-time band member.--69.212.157.139 07:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record, Jay Gordon was indeed a member of Deadsy way back before Orgy, and before Deadsy's current incarnation. The line is correct in saying he was the bassist. In fact, this was extremely common information in the website bios when Deadsy first signed to Elementree records. However, I think its best the line remains removed, as it is indeed POV and, most importantly, unnecessary for the article. --Clementduval 06:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
O Rly? On the self-titled deadsy album from 1997, the band is listed as being Elijah Blue, Renn Hawkey & Alec Puro, and way down at the bottom of the production credits, it says "Additional Bass: Jay Gordon - Tracks 3, 4, 7 & 9", so apparently at that point in time he wasn't considered a band memeber. And i know for a fact that the '96 demo was recorded by the trio of Blue, Hawkey & Puro. Then in 1999 with the first release of commencement they had a permanent bassist (Craig "The Beast" Riker). And then after he left they got Creature to play Bass (who is still with the band), and they didn't sign to elementree records until the re-release of commencement in 2002. So according to all of deadsy's cds, Jay Gordon was never anything more than an "Additional Musician". Just because something is "Extremely common information" doesn't mean that it's right.68.76.76.57 13:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree with the above, lines like "Additional..." don't automatically denote people being members of a band. Take A Perfect Circle, for instance. Their second album featured a host of artists contributing to individual tracks, yet not being officially listed in the line-up. --TheMonkofDestiny 01:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] commencement(99)

Someone should really create an article for the 1999 version of their Commencement album, as it has an alternate tracklisting, and alternate versions of a few songs that were re-recorded for the 2002 release of the album.--69.212.157.139 07:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Sources

I'm sorry. I have to go on bullshit patrol here. Apparently, Wikipedia-authors who are also Deadsy fans are, apparently, suffering from a lack of oxygen to the brain or something. TorbenFrost 00:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I apologize for that remark. TorbenFrost 00:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I hadnt checked back on this article in a while and it didnt at first occur to me that all everything was unsourced. I am in no way an expert on Deadsy, so I cannot vouch for any of these statements.

I went about searching for sources for the article. I know that they were at Family Values(I saw them live) and I know that they are currently touring with Deftones(Im seeing them this wednesday) but I cannot get sources for this. Both Deadsy's and Deftones' sites use html and Im no expert at it, though I know abit, I dont know how to get URLs to ever changing pages.

Does anyone know how to do this? And if there are other places that sources may be acquired from that still meet Wikipedia's criterias?

Im willing to help out if I can

Thanks Lamentingvampire09 07:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

the most comprehensive site about the beginnings of the band was deadsy.net but there was a small feud between the webmaster and deadsy when he was asked to do their main website, and they offered him little in the form of compensation (in their defense, they're not exactly a platinum selling act, so it's not like they can afford to pay someone a $10,000 salary to update their website every long once in awhile) and he ended up being bitter and taking the website down after a few years of paying for it, although he was not on good terms with the band. the website also hadn't been updated with any new info since a little before the commercial release of commencement. i know that doesn't help a lot, but i guess what i'm trying to say is that, the info used to be there, but it's kinda gone now.
on another note, a lot of band's pages on wikipedia aren't very well sourced at all (as lot's of times there are no good sources for the info) but people who know a lot about the bands usually police the articles frequently, making sure that the article is as accurate as can be. so... i know that there's rules about wikipedia content being verifiable, and people not using "personal research" as a source, but as i stated, lots of times the sources just aren't there.65.43.211.208 11:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


I'm not sure why things like the fans being called Legions needs a source: you can find that on deadsy.com and that's listed on the external link page. There's also a Legions myspace page if that would be helpful to externally link. I'm not sure how to indicate that in the superscript. If someone wants to clarify by doing that, they can do that, but...yeah. Not all of these things need citations, it can be found on google and in the external linking.

Additionally, the band's website has been updated since Phantasmagore.

Since? It's the latest thing that's happened. Also, things like "Deadsy fans being called Legions" doesn't need a source; it needs to go, period. Every band makes up funny names for their fans. Just as every band makes up funny names for their musical style -- which is why all this "Undercore" shit needs to go, too, or at least be put in the context of the band's representation of themselves, instead of treating it as a "factual entity". TorbenFrost 00:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Under that reasoning, this article shouldn't exist - Parrotheads. --TheMonkofDestiny 02:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Most, if not all of these citation tags, are asking for citations on stupid, easily verifiable information available on the very same website you link at the bottom. Some of the shit, like the Howard Stern reference and the quotes, would benefit from a citation or reference, yes, but why would you need a citation for this: "Just as everything seemed in place for the debut, Sire split from Elektra, and the release was shelved (promotional copies are still floating around, but are somewhat rare)"? Sire DID split from Elektra, Deadsy's debut did get shelved and never come out as a result and the fact that that album in its entirety has been circulated on the internet is proof there is copies out there somewhere, these are things you can just take at face value. It hardly needs a comprehensive reference, because it's something there won't be a lot of info on.

I swear, sometimes you people go nuts with citation tags. Honestly. Dead 21:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article is a mess.

Someone definitely went nuts on the {{Fact}} tags, to the point where I'd be hard-pressed to call it anything but vandalism. However, the rest of the article isn't that great either - it reads as if it was written by fans, rather than objective encyclopedia writers. I'm on the far-opposite end of the spectrum (can't listen to them without losing myself in howls of delirious, pained laughter), but hopefully some other musicologist can maintain some semblance of neutrality, and avoid such gratutious, unsourced statements as "Deadsy sounds like Gary Numan" (yeah, right, and Hole sounds like the Jefferson Airplane).

Anyway, if anyone's wondering who added the cleanup tag, I'm the guy. --Action Jackson IV 03:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

This article really is in shambles. It reads like a sycophantic promotional press release, and I happen to like this band. Especially that whole bit on Deadsy fans wearing chains that "symbolize the unity of Undercore" (whatever the flying fuck that's supposed to mean) needs to die a horrible death, as does all the nonsense about the colors of their outfits "really setting them apart from other bands". (They wore all black on their second album cover! Real diverse!) I hope some dedicated, yet not wholly peabrained, fan with much more insight into the band's history and musical style will rectify this article -- or, by jebus, I may get so fed up with the idiocies I might start doing research and do it myself. TorbenFrost 02:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I haven't been around this article since I initially tried my hand at cleaning up much of it (adding in the collaborators section). The state its in now doesn't look to have changed that dramatically since I last saw it (minus the additions regarding the release of Phantasmagore, Creature's departure and additions to the fans section). Indirectly attacking anyone who edited the article (anonymously or not) seems unnecessary, especially when its easier to fix things you don't like. In regard to what I managed to edit, a lot of what was there stayed there due to my own lack of a deeper familiarity of the band (and going in, after having read through it, it seemed highly to indicate that the article had been consistently updated by fans who were treating it more like a promotional page than anything else and perhaps a few people who were unfamiliar with how editing works around here, probably inadvertently deleting chunks of the article without realising it). I'm a fan, but not a diehard fan. So when I got around to editing some of the lines that included the mention of "legions" and the chains and all of the other information you seemingly take offense to, I took it at face value and tried to clean up the wording (which was a major flaw of the article prior, regardless of whether I managed to accomplish anything beyond that) while leaving the general points that previous editors of the article had inserted intact. Looking back on it now, I probably would've removed a few chunks of the article that seem incidental. Mostly in the visual appearance and fans sections. --TheMonkofDestiny 01:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • This article reads like a MySpace page. Yech. I removed the entire fluff/vanity section about their fans. This is Wikipedia, not a press release or a marketing meeting. I also cleaned up the section about their appearance, I mean, who really cares that they updated their website in 2004 and added a message board? It's unnecessary fluff and it's gone. 75.33.45.203 02:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


  • -HDS: I have started to clean up the page. I have re-done the entire Info Box, maknig it nier and clean and added information. I will now clean up the Discography area,

My suggestions: Merge "Departure of Creature, with the history, which has to be completely re-written, and merge Visual Appearance with Music Style. If not, the maybe make a chart for the Appearance, like the ones used in the singles for most bands.

  • HDS- I have redone most of the main page as of now, needing to fix the musical area, which i think i will most likely delete, and the visual theme, which i dont know what to do with it. The collaborations have been taken off, since those should be included on the albums pages...
  • Whoever is writing this, you seriously need to (1) spell check before you save, (2) STOP adding POV statements to the article (stuff like "unfortunately it did not get much airplay on MTV"). I added two citation tags to the article, if the referenced statements are available online, then add the links. Again, THIS IS NOT THE BAND'S MYSPACE PAGE. This is also not YOUR MySpace page. Please keep your writing objective and factual. Wtbe7560 13:56, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • HDS - will you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take a minute to learn what you're doing? The link you've added are redundant and DON'T FIT THE ARTICLE. Your spelling is atrocious. You are killing this article. PLEASE discuss your changes here instead of reverting this page like a juvenile. Wtbe7560 22:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


-HDS uhh well when i typed the article i didn't have any links. so people have obviously added shit to is since then.

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