Talk:De Zeven Provinciën class frigate

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[edit] Frigates?

Why is it called a frigate? It's clearly a destroyer in all but it's name.

Due to the similarities between frigates and destroyers nowadays, the Dutch Navy no longer makes a difference between the two. - Dammit 15:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Bc, it is a frigate, new generation of frigate that is, most frigates nowadays are quite well armed and can often be confused with the destroyer, but destroyer in all honesty are far more larger and capable ships. 88.110.78.164 (talk) 18:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

As a matter of fact it's for political reasons, politicians are pretty stupid sometimes and some didn't want to have ships that made the Netherlands look like a mean monsterous nation. They think destroyers fit that image, so the navy decided to name them frigates. And the best part was: the politicians bought it.

I don't think that's really the reason. In Dutch a destroyer is called a 'jager' (=hunter), from Torpedoboatdestroyer(EN) -> Torpedobootjager (NL), which is not really that aggressive. However, the last of those ships was used in the 1960's or something. So why pick a new name for a ship which has basically the same function as the existing ships but is only bigger because of tonnage creep? And compared to the US Arleigh Burkes and Russian Udaloys/Sovremennys, not to mention the upcoming 14k tons Zumwalts, the Zeven Provinces' are indeed a smaller type of ship. [MJ]

Yeah, when "destroyers" are being made that are larger than most WW2-era cruisers, it's no surprise that we'd also see ships called "frigates" that are larger than most historical destroyers. Aircraft carriers and submarines were supersized decades ago, and now the other types of naval vessels are going through the same process. :P Redxiv 23:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

The simplest reason for calling it a frigate is that there is no reason to distinguish between frigates (fregatten) and destroyers (jagers). AFAIK they serve the same purposes in the Dutch navy. The current text of this paragraph in the article is a terrible explanation of someones wild guess. --Bacchuss (talk) 21:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I removed the part speculating about the the political correct terminology for the ships. It's baseless speculation. Next time, first provide a source, then edit accordingly. [MJ] 20:48, 28 April 2008 UTC)

[edit] Infobox Templates

I've made the following templates to make changing the infoboxes a bit easier.-YanA 07:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:De Zeven Provinciën armament
Template:De Zeven Provinciën propulsion

[edit] Decision on Tomahawk

Re "In the future is also the decision made to buy 32 BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles." Has this decision been made? Is a decision awaited? The grammar is incorrect (with all due respect to the original writer), but one cannot tell from existing text which way to correct it. Also, is there a reference that can be cited? papageno 16:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

the process of acquiring TacToms has been postponed by the new minister of defense EggyNL

Does this work as a re-write then? "A decision was expected on the purchase of 32 BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles, but was postponed by the new Dutch minister of defence on DATE." Is there a citation we can provide referencing this point, even if in Dutch? papageno 04:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I found something for you from the "Trouw"-newspaper. This is a translation of the first paragraph:

"Ministry of Defence decided not to buy Tomahawks

The Netherlands decided not to buy thirty Tomahawk missiles. Minister of defence Eimert van Middelkoop (ChristenUnie) said this last monday in Brussels. The secretary prefers to spend the seventy million euro on recruitment and installation of new defence personnel." --Bacchuss (talk) 21:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Made the edit myself already. --Bacchuss (talk) 21:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)