Talk:De Wallen
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[edit] Human Trafficking
Although the "human trafficking" part is good, wouldn't it fit better in Prostitution in the Netherlands and a smaller summary of that in this article. It just doesn't seems specific enough for de wallen, but more for prostitution in general Garion96 15:00, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] True
Yeah, that's right. But I've read the rules of Wikipedia recently and I discovered I could have broken the 'original research' guideline. What I've done is I researched an internetsite (www.hookers.nl) where prostitution-clients write about their experiences with prostitutes. There's a lot of interesting information there. For instance about the age and nationality of the prostitutes. There's no report where you can find such information!!! By analyzing this site I have gained much more insight into the world of prostitution. I've also used the chatter done by prostitutes and clients on this site (including me). You know, I am a prostitute-client myself. But anyway, if you happen to speak Dutch and you research prostitution, visit www.hookers.nl. You can check things for yourself. I think I'll expand Prostitution in the Netherlands too. I'll be as neutral as possible. --Bruno Junqueira 23:28, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] No original Research
I’ve definitively broken the ‘no original research’-rule. I removed all the data about the ages and nationalities of prostitutes. I researched those myself. I also removed references to certain alleys. I obtained that data from what a prostitute told me.
All the data in my contribution to this article can now be verified. But.... I have to offer some additional notes. The Scharlaken Koord states that out of 439 Dutch window-prostitutes on the Wallen they had contact with in 2001, 380 indicated they were brought into prostitution by a loverboy. That’s not a fabrication created by a fundamentalist Christian organisation. This is confirmed by many other sources. A police officer named Manon Niemeijr has spoken with a lot of window-prostitutes in the ‘Spijkerkwartier’, a red-light district in Arnhem (source: ’Verlicht Kwartier, 40 jaar Arnhemse spijkerbuurt’ by Kees Crone). She confirms most Dutch women behind the windows were introduced into prostitution by a loverboy. And above all, I had the chance to ask two (former) window-prostitutes if this was true (original research!!!). They both confirmed it. But they stressed that most girls get rid of their pimp very early on in their career and only a few are still under the spell of a pimp. --Bruno Junqueira 09:12, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] POV?
This article doesn't really talk about De Wallen as much as it seems to talk about pimps and human trafficking. Seems to me like these extra things are thrown in here to negatively color what might otherwise be a simple article about a famous place. 65.3.134.219 02:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Heyyy, you are absolutely right!!!! I see this article has been totally revamped with all the negative sides been removed, with some new additions about windows being removed without the background-story of all this. It's fine with me. I'm not too interested in Wikipedia anymore. Lately a (largely) Turkish gang has been rounded up who (also) forced women to work on De Wallen. Also some streets are mentioned: De Trompettersteeg, de Sint Annenstraat and de Sint Annendwarsstraat, de surroundings of de Monnikenstraat and de Oude Kennissteeg - plus de burgwallen (you can find it in articles in Het Parool on www.parool.nl, the specific article is http://archief.parool.nl/artikel?text=seksslaven&SORT=presence&ED=ola&PRD=2y&SEC=%2A&FDOC=9). I believe this kind of (negative) information should be mentioned on wikipedia, but especially which article?Bruno Junqueira 13:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pricing
This is original research, so I won't include it in the main article. But for those who are interested, here is a indication of pricing in the red light area, as of May 2008:
- Basis price, includes oral and vaginal sex (suck and fuck), 15-20 minutes, girl keeps some clothes on - 50 Euro - Girl naked - extra 20/30 Euro - Anal - extra 50 Euro - other speciality eg. golden shower or S&M - extra 50 Euro - Threesome - 50 Euro for each girl - with lesbian show - extra 40-100 Euro - Full body professional massage (Chinese massage) - 35 Euro for 1 hour - Sensual massage (Thai massage) - 50 Euro for 30 min - With hand job and girl naked - extra 30 Euro
The basic price of 50 Euro for suck and fuck is normal for an attractive young Caucasian girl. Older and less attractive girls charge less. 10 Euro was the lowest price I was able to find. 86.148.33.245 (talk) 01:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
