Talk:De Montfort's Parliament

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[edit] Section removed

I removed that section mostly because it was added with no citations at all and made extremely large assertions that "this parliament is over emphasized" and it was basically called so someone could sortof overthrow the King. This all may be true (and if it is I'm sorry that I removed it), but it looked enough like borderline personal commentary that I felt removal was best. The addition can be seen here and the removal here. 68.39.174.238 00:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The article needs some clarification as to the fact that this did not begin a trend of inclusion. It was only with the Model Parliament of Edward I that the groups included in this parliament began to be used. The article as it stands now plays more into the mythos of De Montfort rather than the reality FubarDac 16:28, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

• I have addressed the point made by FubarDac, although I do not see the Model Parliament as being quite such a unique development as is sometimes suggested. The process of adding the Commons to Parliament was a more gradual evolution than just De Montfort 1265 and King Edward 1295. --Gary J 00:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why women could not vote in 1265?

I am not sure it is correct to say women could not own land, so that is why they could not vote. Until the Married Women's Property Act 1882 a woman's proprty, including land, passed on marriage to her husband. However there was no law, at least in Victorian times, that stopped an unmarried woman or a widow from owning land. Is anyone aware of a different practice in the thirteenth century?

I suspect that in 1265 no one actually ruled that women could not vote for Simon De Montfort's new fangled elected members of Parliament. If county elections were held at the County Court (run by the High Sheriff in that era), as I understand was the case in the early centuries of Parliamentary elections, it may be that women were not eligible to take part as they were not part of the court. Does anyone know enough about how these courts and elections functioned to either confirm or deny my suggestion? --Gary J 00:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Forty-shilling Freeholders: 1265 or 1430?

The article "De Monfort's Parliament" claims franchise was limited to forty-shilling freeholders only in 1430. On the other hand, the article "Simon de Montfort, 6th Earl of Leicester" mentions the 40 shillings already for de Monfort's parliament. Who is right?

Top.Squark 11:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)