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[edit] DeLorean Safety and Prototype

I think that there should be a section in the article discussing the safety features of the Delorean and how the prototype had airbags and the production models didn't. I think there should be a general prototype section that talks about it's development and how it's different from the production models. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.166.221 (talk) 11:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Splitting DMC-12 from De Lorean

If we're going to go this separate pages route (probably advisable, given the amount of data) we should move car information largely out of the De Lorean article and make it more about the company and less about the product. —Morven 07:27, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Once I get the core of the DMC-12 page done, I'll start moving data from the De Lorean page over. Thanks for keeping an eye on things! --Milkmandan 07:33, 2005 Jan 27 (UTC)
Update: I'm pretty much finished moving information from the De Lorean article. I've decided to leave the DMC-12 section intact because it deals with market information relevant to the company. The Today section probably should be moved, but I'm out of energy. In any event, I don't have any more major changes for the article, so it should be safe to blast at for a while. --Milkmandan 09:02, 2005 Jan 27 (UTC)

[edit] Number of De Loreans produced

Why the discrepency between the 9,200 produced in the opening paragraphs to "At least one source indicates that only 8,583 DMC-12s were ever produced"? What's the first number's source and if there's a debate about the number produced, why? —Cleared as filed. 15:11, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Please look at footnotes 1, 2 and 3. (they are referenced in the last paragraph in the History ection). Thanks — Wackymacs 15:33, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. I think the article is sourced adequately but I still wonder why the discrepency exists. The two sources simply give two different numbers without explanation. Hmm. —Cleared as filed. 16:34, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Spacing?

Why is a space being put between De and Lorean? The company's site says DeLorean, not De Lorean. Is there something I do not know here? —the preceding unsigned comment is by Cabazon (talk • contribs) 2006-01-03 13:26:39 (UTC)

Check out De_Lorean_Motor_Company#Delorean_vs._DeLorean_vs._De_Lorean for more on the naming "controversy". -- nae'blis (talk) 19:35, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Addition

I added a significant tidbit originally missing from this (great) article: despite being produced in Northern Ireland, no right-hand drive version of the car was ever provided. This limited the success of the car in the areas in which it was produced (in the island of Ireland, and of course in the UK, vehicles travel on the left side of the road, so right-hand drive vehicles are much more common and easier to drive).

Antóine O'Connor 01:01, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ian Ryde?

"...and is also Mr Ian Ryde's favourite car in the world."

Who is Ian Ryde, and why should I care? -- Cottingham 01:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3rd Golden Car -- contradictory information???

Did American Express or Consolidated International acquire the parts for the last golden car? If Amex got the parts from Delorean, how did Consolidated end up with them? The paragraph seems to contradict itself on this.

[edit] Prototype finished when?

Both 1976 and 1978 are mentioned at different places throughout the article. Please check. -- 84.135.207.52 21:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Anyone? I thought Articles of the day would get some special attention? -- 84.135.200.147 18:38, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd say the prototype was finished in 1978. — Wackymacs 19:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I think it should be added somewhere that Delorean spent $600,000 to design and build the prototype. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.166.221 (talk) 11:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Torsion bar reference

I don't think the current torsion bar link discusses the torsion bar that is used on the doors to assist in it's opening. All torsion bar links I have seen on this page refer to a torsion bar as a "torsion suspension" which, from reading, is a totally separate thing. Can we please stop linking this until we find the right torsion bar page to link to? --delorean3 07:55, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Theft Auto

There is no De Lorean in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, because the Grand Theft Auto series does not contain licensed cars. The De Luxo is almost certainly a reference to the vehicle (as are many of the game's cars), but it's not a DMC-12. It doesn't even have the distinctive 'gull' doors (probably for technical reasons).

Various third-party modifications add various real-world vehicles to the game, but these aren't official content. --81.86.106.14 22:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


I'm not sure how that counts. If it's not a DeLorean, it's not a DeLorean, whatever the copyright-infringement protections it is using to obscure the line. Does it have the gull-wing doors or not? If not, how do you know it's an "obvious replica"? This sounds like original research to me. -- nae'blis (talk) 15:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Here's a picture of the Deluxo. It does not, as I said, have the gull-wing doors. This is not a De Lorean. --152.78.71.87 19:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC) (same as 81.86.etc)

Also, the linked SegaGT 2002 article doesn't list the DMC-12. Can anyone confirm?

Given that someone appears to object to removing the entry by reverting changes (sigh), I've at least added a "lookalike" as for Wreckless. --81.86.106.14 23:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Back to the Future DeLorean

How about adding a pic of the DeLorean from Back to the Future near the reference? PrometheusX303 20:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Motor facts

A couple of minor quibbles: All other sources I've seen give the displacement of the B28F as 2.8L, not 2.66. Also, I've been told that the motor in the original prototype was a 1.8L Citroen turbocharged four-cylinder, not a rotary. Since this article has already been subject to substantial oversight, I wanted to bring this up before editing. Istewart 05:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] It´s coming back

Apperantly a company in florida aquired the old drawings and other stuff. The plan to produce the DMC-12. The first car is supposed to roll in two months. http://shortnews.stern.de/start.cfm?overview=1&id=625719&rubrik1=Auto&rubrik2=Hersteller&rubrik3=US%2DModelle&sort=1&sparte=4 The link is in german, sorry. Maybe someone else can find information in english.

I doubt it will be affordable for any "normal" person though...*sigh*. FreddyE 06:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

http://www.autoweek.nl/newsdisp.php?ID=4975&cache=no It's a Dutch site but since I am Dutch I can understand it. Here is a translation:

The DeLorean is best known by the general public because of it's apearance in the "Back to the Future" movies. From 1981 to 1982 almost 10.000 models of this car have been build in North-Ireland. Founder John DeLorean allegedly was involved with a drug deal do to financial problems, which ment the end of the factory. According to rumors all the production machines we're dropped into the sea.
Tony Ierardi wants to restart production. Soon after the death of John DeLorean in 2005, he bought all the rights. Using the left over parts and the original buildplans, he thinks he can bring the car back into production. Target price on the American market should be arround $45.000,-.
The original DeLorean was powered by a pretty weak 2,8 Litre V6 which produced a measly 130 hp. With current technology we would expect the new DeLorean to have substantially more power, al tough nothing has been confirmed yet. The first cars should be produced this year.

Even with the same sized modern engine, it'll have allot more power then 130 hp. L33tj0s 10:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed content

I know for a fact Doc Brown said "Look out!", as opposed to "Quick, get out of the way!" 06:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

It really doesn't matter, it doesn't have anything to do directly with the car itself, its just a quote from the movie. — Wackymacs 06:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't hurt either. 05:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Right. Restored a large chunk, (while still attempting to cut out the "cruft"), emphasizing the importance in pop culture being owed to its use in the Back to the Future movies. Don't really see what's wrong with that. Wavy G 05:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] De Lorean today

I enjoyed this article more than I expected, but the "De Lorean today" section is disappointing. It's full of odd fancruft and unsourced POV. I don't know enough about the subject to sort wheat from chaff, but some well-placed edits by someone suitably informed would tighten up the only weakness of a good article. Soo 18:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

And what about the BBC TV series "Ashes to Ashes"....86.29.84.13 (talk) 21:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Handedness

The intro states that no right-handed DMC-12s were ever made, yet later on the article goes on to state that 23 were made. Contradiction? Isopropyl 19:49, 31 July 2006 86.29.84.13 (talk) 21:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inconcistency

“Around 8,583 DMC-12s were made before production fizzled in late 1982, with final production taking place in early 1983.” (Second paragraph) “A total of about 9,200 DMC-12s were produced between January 1981 and December 1982.[1], no confirmed records of the total production has surfaced, though it's believed that about 9,000 cars were built.” End of “History” -Ahruman 02:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Annother inconsistency- "Only 23 right-hand drive models were made for use in the United Kingdom, and as of 2002 these are valued at £25,000 each." "Only four right-hand drive De Loreans were ever produced, converted by specialized mechanics for use in the UK."

[edit] Porsche engines

"Six DMC-12s were co-opted for use in the making of the films. For the second and third films, producers replaced the underpowered stock engines in their production cars with Porsche engines."

I'm pretty sure that the BTTF producers didn't go to all the trouble involved in swapping in a Porsche engine in a DMC-12. There was a big discussion of this a while back on the DML (there or the DMCForum), and someone pointed out that you can see the DMC oilpan in BTTF3 when the car drives over the camera. I believe the producers simply dubbed a Porsche engine recording over the PRV's sound, which makes a WHOLE lot more sense than swapping the engines for the sake of a movie.

If anyone can confirm this, let's fix that.

AdmiralSenn 15:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirecting to band?

Has anybody else noticed that a general search for "DeLorean" brings up the band. I'm pretty sure the car came out before, and in general it has been my experience as a Delorean owner that when somebody mentions or is talking about "Delorean" it's referring to the car, NOT the band. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.249.99.221 (talk) 00:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Copyright Versus Trademark

Pop culture section, last paragraph. It mentions that cars featured in games are usually look-alikes and don't feature the De Lorean name and logo to avoid copyright issues. Shouldn't this be trademark issues? A name, after all, can't be copyrighted. I'll be changing it as soon as I've posted this. Eris Discord | Talk 06:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Does anyone know who/why the external links for EVERYTHING but the following three sites are CONSTANTLY removed? "DeLorean Motor Company Official site" , "The DeLorean Connection" , and "Gold DeLorean Car of Texas" always remain after all links are cleaned up.

Earlier in the year, there were many club and personal Delorean project related links. They have been deleted three times in the past several months. The two most recent times were on: 23 March 2007 by an anonymous contributor from IP address 81.173.240.98 with the explanation of content edited "(External links)" and then again on 24 June 2007 by "Wackymacs" with the explanation of content edited "(External links - Removing link spam)"

Kind of annoying to have to put information back in for Delorean clubs, etc. I have noticed that the DOA, AZ-D, DCS, and DMA all regularly put our information back on the list rather promptly, but it’s a real annoyance.

Can anyone offer a decent explanation?


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Take a look at the Ford Mustang page or the Chevy Camaro page to get an idea of how it should be set up. DMage 02:17, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dubious image source?

Hi. Image:De Lorean BTTF.jpg is used here, supposedly an original pic by a Wikipedia licenced under GFDL, but as the uploader has had a number of copyright/source problems, I'm wondering about the actual source of the image. Anyone know or recognize the image from elsewhere? Thanks, -- Infrogmation 18:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Can be quite hard to find the actual source but here is two URLs where is similar picture:
--— Typ932T | C  19:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. -- Infrogmation 22:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
What a shame, it seems that and most or all of the user's uploads were copyright violations with lies about having created them. I removed image from article. I hope we can get a genuine free licenced image, or if not a properly sourced fair use one. -- Infrogmation 22:27, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Delorean videos

Crashtest: http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=571730 Museum visit: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DIoagnswqQI (funny one)

Olavxxx 09:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Repair shop

I removed the repair shops section as I felt it was pretty spammy. Wikipedia shouldn't be a place where people come looking for parts suppliers. Also it was unsourced regarding the supposed low price of parts. --Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 19:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggested link

Seems particularly relevant, given this car's silver screen history, but thought I'd ask first anyway :) -- Quiddity (talk) 02:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Done. -- Quiddity (talk) 05:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)