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If you are attending or had attended De La Salle University-Manila, you can add this userbox on your userpage: {{User UDLSU}}, to display this on your userpage:
DLSU Animo! Proud to be Lasallian.
You can also add {{User Christian Brother}}, it will display the following:
FSC This user studies at, or is an alumnus of, a Christian Brother (de La Salle) school.

/summary - This is a barebones version for use in initiating translations to other languages. Please do not remove or expand . Feel free to enter essential only data. --Mithril Cloud 07:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

"For formalities sake"? I think this should just redirect to the main DLSU article. -TheCoffee 09:53, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'm redirecting it to the main DLSU article. Don't see any reason why not to. It seems that all the content in this article was already covered in the main article anyway. TheCoffee 14:49, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Can we also add the discussion from the first DLSU article?Rmcsamson 07:10, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. --Howard the Duck | talk, 07:17, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] Copyright violation?

Some of the texts are copied directly from DLSU's site. Would that be a copyright violation? Or is the information in De La Salle site for public domain? --Jojit fb 09:34, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Seeing that there's a copyright notice at the bottom of the DLSU site, I think it should be changed. And besides, the whole article is starting to sound like official DLSU promotional material. TheCoffee 08:59, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I also mentioned regarding the copyright violation here --Jojit fb 04:57, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I changed the first section of the article. BTW, is it right to classify an article with links to where he got it as an copyright violation?
Most of the photos are copyrighted.

[edit] Degree programs

Another comment, should we have to list all the degree programs of the university? I think this is unnecessary. It is not encyclopedic. I propose that it should be removed. --Jojit fb 10:53, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I agree. --Ronaldo Guevara 09:02, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
What's on offer also changes. They've got programmes they offered then but not anymore now and vice versa.

[edit] Kinaroroonan

The address on official university letterheads, envelopes, etc. say "Taft Avenue". I think this probably means that Manila city authorities have decided not to rename the road anymore. (What I think about this isn't really relevant.) Anyone else have info on this?

Everyone knows it as Taft Avenue. I have yet to see a "Diokno Avenue" street sign. --Howard the Duck | talk, 09:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name in latin

I am trying to translate this in latin and would like to request help.Salle comes from german for hall: sala, yes, like in Tagalog/Spanish for room. I don't know if Universitas Salae would be correct.--Jondel 01:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

de la salle is a proper name in fact it is a name of a saint. st. john baptist de la salle, the founder of the fsc who founded the university. some call him st. la salle or de la salle. (Added 10:07, 23 April 2006 by 203.87.188.90)
The anon user is correct, but doesn't directly answer the question. I would imagine that the official Latin translation takes the name "de la Salle" and Latin-ifies it without analysing the parts (Universitas Delasallensis or the like); but the important thing to note is that there almost certainly is already an official translation, at least of the name of the order. That's what you should be hunting for. /blahedo (t) 00:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
I've been hunting very hard and still am hunting.--Jondel 07:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
The official and Latin name of the Lasallian Brothers is "Fratres Scholarum Christianarum" 58.69.180.83 10:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality of 'Notable Alumni' Section

There must be some way to cite the fields the people listed as 'notable alumni' were in such that the entry becomes neutral. It would also be good if the credentials of those cited in the list (degrees from DLSU, field, connection to DLSU at present if any) are made, instead of using highly-disputable weasel statements such as "top columnist" or "top" whatever, without how this person's being "top" remains unestablished. Other universities have tables which might be useful. I'll watch this section for 24 hours and will remove any weasel-esque appelations unless action is taken. Rmcsamson 14:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Also, the notable alumni section is too long and doesn't look right. Maybe it should be moved to a separate article. It should be trimmed down as well, i don't think it is necessary to make a list that long, some people listed there aren't even well-known enough to be called "notable". Mithril tdd1 16:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I've cleaned it up. Perhaps we can use the format seen in other college articles. --Howard the Duck | talk, 03:58, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
That would work, but we have to find out their relation to DLSU for the format to work out. Having a table with names only won't look right. Mithril tdd1 05:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
How about splitting them into columns? Like {{col-start}} {{col-break}} and {{col-end}}? --Howard the Duck | talk, 09:27, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I think it is also of importance to actually establish if these people attended La Salle or were at least conferred honorary degrees. For example, there are no resources pointing to the Zobels or Ayalas as graduates of La Salle.

Issues regarding the Notable alumni section have been resolved at last. The list is shorter for now but is much better than the red link mess before. -- Mithril Cloud 11:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A question:

When was the University system created? In other words, when did the university along Taft stopped to be known as "De La Salle University" but instead it came to be known as "De La Salle University-Manila"? --Howard the Duck 06:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


The establisment of the system must have been very gradual. For example, they only established College of Saint Benilde when they bought the house and lot across Taft Avenue, then they decided to establish the college of medicine when they got the Emilio Aguinaldo college. As to the exact date, I don't know. --Jondel 06:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
The Univ. System article has Category:1987 establishments. I'll confirm this. --Howard the Duck 06:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article cleanup

Wow, somebody had the nerve to place this article on the Wikipedia:Good_articles#Educational_institutions, but of course I took it out since it's far from being a good article. The Ateneo article deserves to be called good, but this one doesn't.

Anyway, any suggestions on how to improve this article? I'm thinking of taking out the Current Events and Notable alumni sections. The current events isn't encyclopedic, unless it gets integrated to the history section. The notable alumni is a very huge eyesore of red links and needs to be in a separate article or reduce the names to the most relevant ones.

Most of the article is dominated by lists and has little substance. There's also the copying of articles from the official site. The registered and anonymous contributors should at least introduce themselves or participate in discussions here. --- Mithril tdd1

  • I've made some comments regarding the "notable alumni" section already. I agree about the current events section. That section evolved becomes some earlier versions of the article used copyrighted text, which was deleted.Rmcsamson 10:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I'll try to do some research on DLSU's history, this will take a long while. --Mithril tdd1 08:20, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Someone also has to remove the copyrighted images. This article's teeming with them. Rmcsamson 11:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Which are the copyrighted images and which are self-made? --Mithril tdd1 12:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I suggest going through the La Salle websites and seeing which images from there are used here. Also, a number of photos in the gallery are probably copyrighted (interior shot of Andrew Gonzales Hall, etc.), taken from other sources. Rmcsamson 13:06, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Based from my observations, there are only 4 or 5 self-made shots in the article. Or to be sure, i'll retake some of the pictures in the article. --Mithril tdd1 13:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
You can always list them on WP:MFD. Copyrighted images that are not fairly used have no place here. Can somebody list them? And their uploaders? --Howard the Duck 14:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

From user: Ewanko

From user: IPEPs

From user: Qwe321

From user: Chloe999]

Now that's many. And they all came from red link users. -- Mithril tdd1 15:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Other La Salle-related pages seem to be in the same situation. Rmcsamson 15:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the DLS System, DLS-HSC and DLS-SZ articles have questionable content. --Mithril tdd1 15:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I'll be retagging those images with unknown copyright status by friday night. If anybody can supply the URLs of the original photographs, then there'll be no excuses and the images would have to be deleted. --Howard the Duck 01:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Here are the sources that i've found so far:

--Mithril tdd1 08:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Kaboom! Off we go to deletion, btw, its WP:IFD, not MPD (sorry about that). --Howard the Duck 09:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

There are still several copyrighted images, including: the interior shot of the museum, the interior shot of Yuchengco, interior shot of Andrew Gonzales, and the interior shots of the sports complex. Those should be deleted. Rmcsamson 05:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Can you provide their Wikipedia filenames and their original URLs? That would make the case stronger so that they can be speedily deleted. --Howard the Duck 05:50, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Those can be found on the links i gave, and they all came from Ewanko. --Mithril tdd1 07:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I've tagged all but two images. --Howard the Duck 16:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
The Museum: http://www.dlsaa.com:8081/dlsaaPublic/system/mustVisit/museum.html --Mithril tdd1 02:00, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I can't find the copyvio of the last picture. Also, I'm trying to add {{cleanup}} to the article. --Howard the Duck 10:41, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

The article is growing again, but is it improving or turning into another brochure? --Mithril tdd1 09:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Articles "growing up" is good, BUT it should be cleaned up with POV-ness and brochure-ness. --Howard the Duck 11:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] School colors

What shade of green? green or dark green?--Howard the Duck 13:54, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the shade of green's specified in their website.Rmcsamson 14:13, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
When I got there, I encountered "pantone green". What shade is that? --Howard the Duck 14:56, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
From the looks of it, it's a darker shade I think. --Mithril Cloud 15:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
The first Brothers who came to the Philippines were mostly Irish, hence the choice of green, in reference to Ireland, nicknamed the "Emerald Isles." On a strictly historical basis, I imagine, the green should be of the emerald shade. That's my two-cents' worth, anyway.Taurushero23 22:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Separation of Colleges of De La Salle University

I suggest the separation of the said article into individual college articles. So far I have created separate articles for CLA, CED and CCS. --Mithril Cloud 12:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it's unnecessary. The individual colleges don't have much scale outside their being grouped together as a unit, and individual articles will just lead to a user having to go through too many links. Rmcsamson 13:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I think, it is good enough. Duke University, which is a featured article has individual articles for its colleges. Locally, the Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila has been split up. There's even Ateneo School of Law. But it all depends if the main articles gets really long. --Howard the Duck 13:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I've recently separated the COS article. Also, one article, CCS, is now growing with the help of contributors. Now only two colleges are lacking separate articles. --Mithril Cloud 16:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Colleges of De La Salle University is now a redirect. All of the colleges now have their own separate articles. -- Mithril Cloud 01:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PE Building

What is it officially called? I've seen some official images and documents referring to it as Sports Center while another refers to it as Sports Complex? Is it interchangable or not? --Mithril Cloud 14:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Its official name is Enrique Razon Sports Center. Informally, it is called Sports Complex.

[edit] Pamantasang De La Salle

Is it even necessary to place it? The Filipino name is used only on Filipino publications and not really official, unlike PLM where Pamatasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila is actually the official name. --Mithril Cloud 12:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I guess its all right. Other Philippine articles give the Filipino translation (see Manila for example). --Howard the Duck 14:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
But Manila is locally refered as Maynila, so its appropriate. De La Salle University however, is rarely referred as Pamantasang De La Salle outside Filipino publications. Also, Ateneo's article doesn't have the Filipino translation in it. Again, let's wait for the opinion of others. On a related note, i wonder why Pamantasang De La Salle wasn't mentioned in the Tagalog DLSU article? --Mithril Cloud 15:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
You have a point, though. But I think it is harmless that a Tagalog translation is added. Few people know what DLSU-M means in Tagalog. --Howard the Duck 02:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, i guess let's leave it there for now. Although i'll move it to the infobox instead. --Mithril Cloud 10:05, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] De La Salle University

Lets redirect it to De La Salle Philippines. I think it's more correct. --Howard the Duck 14:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The guy who moved DLSU to DLSU-Manila might move it again. His reason is that DLSU-Manila is registered to the SEC as De La Salle University, so he thinks its more appropriate that way. We might need third-party opinion about this. --Mithril Cloud 15:31, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
OK. But how about reviving the system page? It can be historical. Then we'll have a succession box at the bottom. --Howard the Duck 02:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Campus overview

Is it too cluttered? -- Mithril Cloud 16:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA status

I'm placing this review on hold because several of the pictures in the article are copyrighted without proper fair use rationales. Additionally, screenshots (such as this one) require source information. I'm not even sure the picture is necessary at all, and removing it might be the best option.

After a first pass, the article looks good. Once these issues are fixed, it looks like the article will pass. Kafziel 13:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Does it apply to the Paco screenshot only? --Mithril Cloud 13:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
The Green Archers logo and the shields of the various colleges need source information and fair use rationales as well. Kafziel 14:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the Paco picture, then added the source information for the images mentioned. --Mithril Cloud 14:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Looks good. Interesting article. GA passed. Kafziel 14:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. :) -- Mithril Cloud 15:48, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wanted: Help in Translating

Those who want to help translate the DLSU articles and other De La Salle Philippines articles, go to the Tagalog site: [1]. You may also want to create new articles re DLSP and schools. Thanks! Thanks! 58.69.55.20 13:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Research Centers

i have a problem with the research centers in the sciences. for instance, the molecular biology unit (mbu) of dlsu is located under the science and technology research center (strc), but it is actually a separate unit within a unit. do you think this should be included or placed under the strc? here's the link for the mbu: http://www.dlsu.edu.ph/offices/mco/publications/achievers_inc/AI_vol3no2.pdf

For the meantime, just place it under the STRC. --Mithril Cloud 15:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inclusion at Portal:Philippines

How about a one-paragraph summary of the article? Like the one used at the FA Main Page. Thanks. --Howard the Duck 14:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Don Enrique T. Yuchengco Hall as seen from the St. La Salle Hall

De La Salle University-Manila is a private Catholic university located in Malate, Manila. The oldest campus of De La Salle Philippines, it was extablished on June 16, 1911 by the De La Salle Brothers at the request of Archbishop Jeremiah James Harty as a school exclusive for boys, but started accepting women in 1973. It is organized into six colleges, the Colleges of Business and Economics, Liberal Arts, Science, Engineering, Education, and Computer Studies, each offering degrees in the undergraduate and graduate level. Ten of its programs have been recognized by the Commission on Higher Education as Centers of Excellence, with five recognized as Centers of Development. It is the first of only two universities in the Philippines to earn a Level IV accreditation—the highest possible level—granted by the Philippine Accrediting Association of Schools, Colleges, and Universities.

Is it too short? -- Mithril Cloud 15:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I think this'll be enough. This will appear for November or December, depends on what happens with the Manila MRT thingy. --Howard the Duck 15:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ateneo-La Salle Rivalry

I'm compiling all of the scores of all Ateneo-La Salle games since 1924. Anybody can help out at User:Howard the Duck/Pinoy. --Howard the Duck 18:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DLSU-Manila ranked no.1 Philippine private university by THES-QS

I hope this can be added in the Trivia portion. Information was obtained in a printed newsletter in the university, not obtained from the website.

203.76.244.185 12:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I've considered adding that information long ago, but i've thought that it might spark rivalry. If other editors would find it okay, then it shall be added. On an unrelated note, I didn't like the fact that they highlighted the rankings more than Br. Rafael's death. --Mithril Cloud 13:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "De La Salle Vito Cruz Society (VCS-DLSU)"

An anonymous editor insists on adding this to the list of organizations, and when asked to provide a reference, simply replies that this is an accredited organization. I may not have looked around enough, but if www.dlsu.edu.ph is supposed to have an exhaustive list of accredited organizations, it isn't there.Rmcsamson 16:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

And Google gave no hits whatsoever, except for the St. Scholastica's College article which was also added by the same anonymous editor in question. --Mithril Cloud 17:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CCS as Center of Excellence

The college has received a congratulatory letter from CHED stating that the college is recognized as a Center of Excellence in Information Technology although there no formal announcement yet. You can visit [2]. Why did you revert my additions?

Woops, it got included in a revert that was supposed for the list of presidents. --Mithril Cloud 12:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Mithril Cloud. I temporarily removed the listing of IT as a COE, since there's no source other than the SunStar article. There's no update from DLSU-Manila and CHED's website (or any of the other schools mentioned), at least as of this writing. So there's no way to verify it. Since La Salle updates its website regularly, I would've expected this to appear right away. Maybe this listing can wait. Rmcsamson 13:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Sure thing. Let's wait for the official announcement first. --Mithril Cloud 13:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alumni Section

Can we also have a dynamic list of La Salle Alumni from the 18 La Salle District Schools? I think this is necessary especially aligned with the goal of "One La Salle".

[edit] GA comment

For the article to maintain its GA status, the logos need detailed fair use rationales. Look to other passed GA/FAs for examples. Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions. --Nehrams2020 06:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Professional Schools to return under DLSU-Manila

In an article in Ang Pahayagang Plaridel dated Dec 18, 2007, it revealed that the DLSPS will be under the DLSU-Manila again. The move will be finalized after the BOT of the two DLSP schools approve the reintegration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.127.12.76 (talk) 13:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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