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[edit] Reckless driving

The reckless driving conviction is hardly notable. She was not found guilty of possessing pot, her lawyer said it was left there by friends. Clearly marginal trivia in terms of WP:BLP. It's only notable because the national press has picked up on it and the story is all over the wire for 12 hours. Had this happened in 1998 pre-Wikipedia, it would have never been included in this article by later editors. 71.191.137.121 (talk) 04:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Left there by a "friend". Yes, well... In any case it didn't happen in 1998, it is in the national news media, and it is notable. Live with it. Proxy User (talk) 21:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Proxy User, your tone seems kind of hostile. I'm not sure why. The IP user above seems to be expressing what he or she sees as a legitimate BLP concern. Although this event may have been deemed "newsworthy" in the present, only time will tell how "notable" these events will be in the broader context of Wells' career. At present there appears to be a WP:WEIGHT concern that needs to be addressed. In order to present a balanced picture, a disproportionate amount of text in the biography of this LIVING ACTRESS is devoted to marijuana. Seems cause for WP:BLP concerns to me. Cleo123 (talk) 07:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Yor addition to the Wells article is excessively POV. I don't mind including material that indicates Wells lawyers disagree with the rulering, but the article is not a Forums For Rebuttal. If you rewite it, I will not object to it. But otherwise, I will rewrite it.
Also, as to your comments in the discussion, hostility has nothing to do with it. This is not an article about Wells' career, it's a biography of an individual and therefor includes information about more than Wells career. Proxy User (talk) 07:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
POV? I have presented Well's side of the story, in the interest of balance and fairness to a living person. I strongly disagree with your interpretation of the article's purpose. This is NOT the biography of a private individual - Wikipedia is not intended to include such biographies. Wells' biography is included on this forum because she is NOTABLE as an actress. The article's primary focus should pertain to her notability, not minor incidents in her private life - such as traffic stops. Wikipedia is not a tabloid. It is an encyclopedia. Cleo123 (talk) 07:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
BTW, saying that she was sentanced to jail time, when she wasn't seems to violate WP:LIBEL. Cleo123 (talk) 02:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
She ***WAS*** sentenced to jail time. It was suspended. POINT OF FACT. Please move on.
Honestly, do you understand how silly it sounds for you to claim this idea of FIRST three hitchhikers might have left the drugs and THEN maybe it was some guy she loaned the car to? Do you really want the article to explore these "facts"? All I've done is include *FACTS* from police reports. But hey, if you want to go into this absurd story, maybe we should. Proxy User (talk) 04:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Dude, it's not up to you to decide if her story is right or wrong. Seriously, you sound like judge and jury - she's guilty in your eyes, and your going to write the Wikipedia article to that effect. Wonderful. 71.191.137.121 (talk) 04:22, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
"Dude", it **IS** up to any editor such as me to call out OBVIOUS POV and NON FACTUAL CONTENT. The information I have added comes from police reports and the Associated Press. The information that Cleo123 added is emotional NPOV rebuttal from Wells' lawyer (and quoted from a questionable source). Sorry, but you are simply wrong, "dude". This is not the proper forum for Wells and her friends to rebut known established facts as documented in available legal documents. If Cleo123 wished to include the comments from Wells lawyer, it needs to be rewritten in a non-POV slanted way. If you don't like it, you can ask for mediation. "Dude".
Some other notes:
  • Wells was *in fact* sentenced to 5 days in jail - suspended, but none the less sentenced.
  • DUI charges where *in fact* reduced to reckless driving through a plea agreement.
  • Wells did *in fact* suggest that some mysterious hitchhikers (who oddly could not be located in rural Idaho) before changing her story that someone she loaned her car to had left the pot.
  • Wells was *in fact* fined $410.50. Relatively small, yes. But fined none the less.
The facts are not in dispute, and are supported by official police and court documents. Wells can claim in entertainment news interviews anything she wished, but ultimatly what is fact is in the police and court reports. Proxy User (talk) 22:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Please, provide links to the official police reports and court documents which you are citing. Are you saying that her attorney is "lying" when he issues an official statement saying there was no plea agreement? You seem very insistent that "DUI charges were REDUCED". Her lawyer, who is, in FACT, an officer of the court has stated the the charges were DROPPED. There is quite a difference. Please, share links to the court documents and police reports that you've examined in your determination of FACTS. And for the record, I have no affiliation with Dawn Wells. Such baseless allegations are inappropriate and IMO, less than civil. Cleo123 (talk) 02:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I didn't say her lawyer was "lying". The official documents don't say there was no plea agreement. The DUI charges where dropped in a plea agreement to reckless driving. If you have no connection to Dawn Wells, where do you get your "information"? The facts are contained in court documents linked in the article and legitimate news sources.

If you go back over what I've said here, you will NOTE that I don't object to including Wells' lawyer's opinion. What I said was your wording of it was overly POV and it should be rewritten. If you had done that, there would be no dispute. (And I never would have found that interesting Bob Denver connection, but now it's there!) Proxy User (talk) 18:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] pot connection to bob denver

Bob said she mailed him pot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Denver --Capsela (talk) 04:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Added the reference. Proxy User (talk) 00:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] POV Tag on Marijuana

Please do not remove the tag until the issue is resolved.

It is my opinion that this paragraph is POV rebuttal, and while there is some information that might be included in a NPOV biography, it needs to be rewritten in a less POV style. Proxy User (talk) 16:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Even if this Marijuana incidents are noteworthy it hardly merits the amount of space (and details) that are current in the article. It reads like someone has an unhealthy fixation with this one aspect of her life.War (talk) 04:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
That's why I wrote the very simple and straight forward second paragraph. It's all that is needed. Proxy User (talk) 05:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another Paragraph needed?

Is it me? Or does this article seem to jump from "Early Life and Career" to "Post Gilligan's Island Career"? LOL! Seems to me as if we may have missed the "meat of the matter" in this article. A "Gilligan's Island Section" might be nice, as that is what she's notable for. Anyone want to take a stab at it? Cleo123 (talk) 00:57, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

That's a great idea. There isn't much about her other television / movie / stage work, nor really much about her theater group in Idaho. I also think a paragraph on her clothing business should be developed. Proxy User (talk) 21:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Marijuana Incident

It is relevant, referenced, and appropriate. Proxy User (talk) 03:09, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Creating an entire section called "Marijuana" is unnecessary, inappropriate and places undue weight on minor incidents in her life. It's not going to be allowed. The version of the arrest incident you keep reverting to is also unacceptable, as it omits key sourced facts and statements about the arrest, charges, plea and sentence. FCYTravis (talk) 03:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Concur with FCYTravis. Kelly hi! 03:19, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
First, it is not a minor incident. Second, it is not a singular incident. Third, it was covered extensively in the international news media. Forth, there was almost NO discussion here prior to removal or your unilateral and unjust abuse of power of locking the article.
Fifth, I've filed a Request For Mediation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Dawn_Wells
Proxy User (talk) 03:22, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
It certainly is a "minor incident." Mediation request rejected, no sense wasting my time with that. Go file an RfC first. FCYTravis (talk) 03:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Your actions here show strong bias. Why do you fear Mediation? Such dishonesty from an Admin. Proxy User (talk) 03:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I would caution you against implying that an Administator is "dishonest" - as that could be construed as a personal attack. FCYTravis should be applauded for the incredible patience and restraint he has exercised in this matter. I suspect that many admins might have blocked you for edit warring on the article. Instead, he has tried to teach you something here, and I would suggest you listen to him.
The fact that something receives news coverage of a tabloid nature in the short term does not make it significant in the long term, larger picture of a person's career. In creating your own "Marijuana Section", you have thrown the article out of balance, creating a WP:WEIGHT issue. Dawn Wells is notable for her work as an actress (that's why her bio exists on Wikipedia). Traffic stops for petty offenses do not warrant the amount of space and attention you seem to be pushing for. Whether you realize it or not, your version seems to paint this woman as a pothead and a criminal. You've stated very clearly that you object to her side of the story being presented. Presenting only one side of the story is WP:POV pushing. Please, re-read WP:BLP, as well as WP:HARM. Whether you realize it or not, I believe you are being terribly unfair to Ms. Wells. Cleo123 (talk) 04:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, you are right. I am very strongly biased against filling people's biographies with tabloid gossip, rumors, speculation and scandal. I am proud to have such a bias. FCYTravis (talk) 03:37, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
What do you FEAR from Mediation? I've removed you. I still want a look by an UNBIASED Admin. Proxy User (talk) 03:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Proxy User, as I explained to you before on my talk page, mediation is inappropriate at this juncture. An RFC might be more appropriate. However, I would encourage you to heed FCYTravis' advice and drop this matter. Your version violates WP:BLP, WP:HARM and WP:WEIGHT. At least two members of the Biography Project have offered you guidance in this matter. When multiple users disagree with you, and nobody steps up to support your POV - one needs to entertain the possibility that perhaps they've misinterpretted policy.
FCYTravis has nothing to "fear" from mediation, or you. He's been an absolute "Gent" - and I wouldn't attempt to push his buttons if I were you. I will reject your request for mediation. Cleo123 (talk) 04:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Bullies

Something wierd is going on. I removed a redundant section (It was an EXACT COPY of the wording from another section. This is a very valid and encouraged practice in all article. Then I MOVED a paragraph from one section to another that to me made more logical sense. This resulted in Proxy User suggesting that I am involved in an EDIT WAR on my talk page. I think everyone should know (just look at the page history) that this is happening so that they can consider carefully Proxy User's, point of view on this article.

For the record I don't have much knowledge of Dawn Well's. I only try to made edits so that the structure, logic, and principles of Wikipedia are preserved. Please look at my edits of this articles page to see if you think I'm being reasonable. War (talk) 07:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)