User talk:David Fuchs

Contents 1 your note on my page 2 Re: Riven image 3 Riven: The Soundtrack Talk Page 4 Riven. 5 Thoughts on remaining articles 6 UNSC 7 Image for UNSC 8 Signpost updated for May 19th and 26th, 2008. 9 Thank you. 10 Newsletter reminder 11 WP:HAU 12 Re: Fight the Panda Syndicate 13 Myst and Riven 14 The WPVG Newsletter (June 2008) 15 Clerk tasks 16 Myst III: Exile 17 Ti'ana 18 I agree 19 Irony 20 Super Mario Land 21 Signpost updated for June 2, 2008. 22 re: Halo 23 Could you help me out with something? 24 Note 25 WikiProject Good articles newsletter 26 Request protection 27 Re: Myst 28 Halo: Contact Harvest and Publisher's Weekly 29 WP:FA-TEAM 30 re: Halo

[edit] your note on my page

I do partially apologise for over-reacting, here and in my edit summary. TONY (talk) 07:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Riven image

That image should do fine, it captivates the environment quite well. I can't find the image I was after anyway, and its a lot of effort to install a five-disc game just to get one screenshot from the beginning of it. On the subject of images, can I ask your opinion of Vortigaunt? Do you think I should downsize the infobox image a bit, to make it shorter and not so space consuming? I'm also wondering whether its worth including an in-game shot. -- Sabre (talk) 18:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I made the image myself—the joys of a model viewer—so I can provide you with any angle you want. I'm going to experiment with some other angles, but once I've found one I'm happy with, I'd love for you to add some "crispness" to the edges, I had to soften the edges in Paint Shop Pro to get rid of a lack of anti-aliasing in the model viewer. -- Sabre (talk) 18:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Try this for size. Same animation, from the other side, with the camera angle a little lower to remove the foot extending half-way down the screen. As you can see, without softened, anti-aliased or otherwise untreated edges, its edges look awful. Damn shame that anti-aliasing isn't enabled in the model viewer. -- Sabre (talk) 19:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid not. That's as big as I can get it in the model viewer. -- Sabre (talk) 21:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

That picture's not too great because its an older version of the model, the one originally included with HL2. The current image is of a model introduced in Ep2, and is far superior in detail and lighting effects. I really want to use the Ep2 model, as it is the latest incarnation of the character. See what you get from from the one I gave you anyway, if nothing else works I can always use my run-the-soften-brush-around-the-edges technique on the raw image, it still shows the character in a decent manner. -- Sabre (talk) 21:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Riven: The Soundtrack Talk Page

Could you explain this deletion, seeings you failed to do so in the deletion summary? _TalkIslander 19:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, well in the future d'you reckon you could use the deletion summary? Helps avoid these things... Whilst I'm at it, perhaps I'm being thick (a distinct possibility), but I can't find any concencus / suggestion to merge the article... _TalkIslander 20:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Riven.

I'll be sure to stop by the FAC soon. · AndonicO ^Engage. 16:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm still jealous at your FA count, and look, here I am helping you bump it up. ;) · AndonicO ^Engage. 16:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Pfft, you need to take third grade math. :P I'll try to have Riven done by tomorrow morning (twice over, because one copyedit is as worthless as an ant's behind). And a beer with a frosty beverage would be fine with me. :) · AndonicO ^Engage. 19:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thoughts on remaining articles

I removed the articles you removed from the "Myst franchise" Category as most of them had to do with video game studios or creators and not games. I also prodded one of them, which leaves Pyst and Mysteria Film Group, and both of them are pretty weak. I suggest scrapping them, merging anything of value to the Myst series article and redirecting there. That way, all loose ends will be taken care of. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps put Pyst under popular culture references in the series article as it is still pretty small, and I think it may not be a game in the full sense, so it wont have as much development or reception to justify its own article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm the one who created the Mysteria Film Group page, and am actively contributing to it as more details about the group are revealed. I object to the wholesale 'scrapping' of the topic and have restored it. If you have any doubts about the validity of the project, I suggest you read/listen to the various interviews of Rand Miller about the project; below is a link to an excellent article about this:

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/blogs/txt/archive/?postID=5293

Please give this topic time to mature. Robert The Rebuilder (talk) 11:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] UNSC

Hi David. I would like to split the UNSC section into two other sections; one mentioning the government, and another one mentioning the military branches. Seeing as how you are mostly in charge of the article, I though I should have your permission. So, can I start working on it? I promise I'll make it good. Please. :) --UNSC Trooper (talk) 16:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that could work. I'll see what best fits it. Thanks a lot. --UNSC Trooper (talk) 19:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image for UNSC

If you're going to use another image for the UNSC section, I'd suggesting using this one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Halo3ODST.jpg It's more, representative. Oh, and I'm going to start working on splitting the article tomorrow. --UNSC Trooper (talk) 22:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Thank you.

I've wanted that barnstar since I helped make it a barnstar. Thank you very much. :) Oh, and I'll try to go to DC sometime, just for that frosty beverage. :P · AndonicO ^Engage. 16:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Newsletter reminder

Just giving you your reminder about the newsletter updates the day before its distribution date, June 4th. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Newsletter#3rd edition for the necessary steps to update or just ask me. You may want to drop xenocidic a note after it's ready so he can deliver it.

PS- I know you have a couple FAC going on right now, so if you aren't available this time let me know and I'll update it. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC))

No worries man, real life comes first. I'll take care of it, maybe next time. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

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[edit] Re: Fight the Panda Syndicate

Hello once again. I didn't realize you had left a message regarding the Fight the Panda Syndicate Wiki. Yes, I have just created a user account. I'd love to improve the content for the page.

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[edit] Re: Fight the Panda Syndicate

Frankly, even if people have worked on it, doesn't make it notable for inclusion. However, if it gets deleted, I suggest that you create a user account, and I will post the old version in your userspace if you want so you can work on improving the article. David Fuchs (talk) 11:38, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Myst and Riven

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		For your efforts in improving the articles on both Myst and Riven, getting them to featured status so quickly, you deserve this. I wish I had your ability to improve articles like that. -- Sabre (talk) 09:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The WPVG Newsletter (June 2008)

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The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter Volume I, No. 3 - June 4, 2008 Archive before Archive After To receive future editions of this newsletter, click here to sign up on the distribution list. Project at a Glance As of 2008-06-04, the project has: 89 Featured articles 13 Featured Lists 9 Featured Topics 2 articles in Featured Article Review 208 Good Articles 0 articles in Good Article Review 10 articles for Peer review Changes to Featured and Good articles, lists, and topics Promoted FA/FL: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, List of acquisitions by Electronic Arts, List of Harvest Moon titles, Riven, Myst, Topic: Characters of Halo, The Orange Box Demoted FA/FL: Devil May Cry series (FT) Promoted GA: Air (visual novel), Crash Boom Bang!, Driving Emotion Type-S, Einhänder, Half-Life 2: Episode Two, Metal Gear Solid, Off-Road Velociraptor Safari, Team Fortress 2, Grand Theft Auto (series), Kratos (God of War), History of video game consoles (seventh generation) Demoted GA: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, Sonic the Hedgehog (character), Cloud Strife, Super Smash Bros. News There were 203 new articles in May 2008 Current proposals and discussions Well, gee, thanks 1up! 1UP.com has recently changed their rating scale. A list of affected articles can be found here. See discussion for details. About 28% of the articles on the list have been checked and updated. Inactive project cleanup Proposal to consolidate inactive projects and taskforces. Project page can be found here. WikiProject Dragon Quest has been redirected to WP:VG. WikiProject Massively multiplayer online games Guild Wars task force has been deleted. Interested in a specific video game series or company? Check out some of our task forces to help improve the related articles. Atari Command & Conquer Devil May Cry New! Gears of War Grand Theft Auto Silent Hill Suikoden New! StarCraft New! Valve Visual novels New! Warcraft Feature Writing about Development Development content is very important to include in an encyclopedic video game article. It provides a history of how the game came to be and provides real world information needed for an article to claim comprehensiveness. However, writing this section can be difficult because the amount and type of information available will vary for each game. One of the best sources for such information is a developer interview. These can provide insight into the thought process of the designers and give examples of influences and obstacles encountered. Previews can also be helpful by giving a snap shot of the game before it was released and may mention development issues that were still being addressed. When writing about development, common sense should be used to organize content to maintain a sense of flow for the reader. Most times, it is best to give the information in a somewhat chronological order—though information can also be grouped by topics like audio, promotion, graphics, etc. If one such topic gets large enough, it can be split off into its own subsection or regular section. For example, Kingdom Hearts#Audio is a separate section from the rest of the development information because it focuses on the game's musical score and voice acting. Portal (video game)#Soundtrack, however, does not have as much content and is a subsection of the main development section. What to include about development Who are the developers? Which company or studio developed the game, and are there any prominent designers involved? When did development begin? When and where was the game first announced? (e.g. Tokyo Game Show, E3 Media and Business Summit, etc.) What influenced the game's story, characters, music, and/or gameplay ? (e.g. past games, movies, books, etc.) Were there any delays? 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[edit] Clerk tasks

Please see Wikipedia:AC/C#Helping_out, specifically item 4. Only arbs, clerks and clerk helpers should be removing items from RFAR. — Rlevse • Talk • 16:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Myst III: Exile

Sources look fine. I even fixed a typo for you. Ealdgyth - Talk 00:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ti'ana

Judging by the deletion of the page and the fact she wasn't merged into Characters of Myst, it seems that you're not including Ti'ana in the articles. Ti'ana may not appear in the games, but she is a highly important character in the backstory and two of the novels. She should be covered to some extent in a section in Characters of Myst. -- Sabre (talk) 11:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I agree

The statement about ignoring all rules wasn't directed towards your attitude towards the rules. I believe that you make good faith attempts to interpret and understand rules. My advice to you was that it's impossible to have a discussion with someone who takes "if a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it" as meaning that we can completely ignore a guideline in all cases, and create a new guideline that contradicts it. There's no value. Take your time to distance yourself from these kinds of nonproductive discussions. Randomran (talk) 18:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the guideline should compromise with some of the people who are opposing the guideline on a genuinely different interpretation of the general notability requirement, or about concerns about organization or clarity. But you're right that the consensus has to ignore people who do not respect the consensus formed on other guidelines, thus leading us to create guidelines that contradict each other: (e.g.: saying that articles on fiction don't need reliable independent sources, and can be based entirely on self-published sources or the actual subject itself). Don't worry too much about the fringes who ignore some guidelines all the time. Usually other editors ignore them. If it becomes disruptive, there's mediation, arbitration, and requests for comment. Disputes might be resolved peacefully due to a good faith but mistaken belief on their part. Let's develop a consensus that's compatible with current guidelines, and resolve disputes with the fringes on a case by case basis. Randomran (talk) 18:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

That's a good attitude. Try not to let yourself be frustrated by people who use IAR to ignore a guideline outright. I have faith in the consensus-building and dispute-resolution processes in wikipedia that either editors will adapt, or the guidelines will. This notability issue might go all the way up to Jimbo. So be it. But developing a specific notability guideline based on the general notability guideline is the next logical step. And there may be more steps after this. The end game is one of two things: this begins the unravelling of the general notability guideline, or (more likely, IMO) it reinforces it and clarifies it. Randomran (talk) 18:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Irony

Regarding the final part of this edit, well, oddly enough, apparently someone ended up seeing fit to actually do so (don't worry, I am absolutely not saying you had anything whatsoever to do with that and not even that the now blocked editor in question was inspired by your comment as it appears to be retaliation for Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Strange page moves). Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 20:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Super Mario Land

Hi. In this edit you removed the plot heading, and I was just curious why. Was the content more appropriate in the gameplay section, or was it just a mistake? The Prince (talk) 16:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, didn't know that. The Prince (talk) 19:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] re: Halo

I will re-read the page tonight and see if I can list out some examples. If I can't, well then I don't have an actionable oppose, do I? --Laser brain (talk) 23:35, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Could you help me out with something?

I am trying to consolidate a topic I started a while ago, which is the Lone Wolf (gamebooks) series. The main article of the list of books, of which there are 29, is List of Lone Wolf media, and I would like to merge the 28 book articles into this list. The thing is, I don't want you to do all the merging obviously, but you are really good at creating the format and syntax used, and I am clueless. I want it to look like the Halo media list; if you could help me create a draft of it, that would be awesome. :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:47, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Could you make it so that the sections on Flight from the Dark is Name, Release Date, and Media? If you do that for me, I can probably do the rest myself. :) You R THE BEST :D Judgesurreal777 (talk) 02:17, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I'll say hi again as I get closer to Featured List status, which would be a first for me. :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Note

By the way, this offer, can extend to you as well. (I will be offline shortly, however, to watch the new episode of Law & Order: Criminal Intent. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 00:14, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Request protection

Would you mind putting some protection on Team Fortress 2? Its been hit by a lot of vandalism over the last few days. Thanks. -- Sabre (talk) 10:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Myst

Don't worry about the Vortigaunt then, the image we have should do. Thanks anyway. As for Myst, I'm slowly progressing through Myst III (Voltic's down, two to go), I doubt I'm going to have it in the bag before you've already done it (seriously man, you're a machine), however, I've just finished reading the last of the three novels and since I just sent Day of Defeat: Source to GAN, there's nothing stopping me from helping—the Half-Life stuff can wait a while, I've been doing too much Valve stuff recently. I'll be able to work on the Characters of Myst and the Myst canon articles, I just won't be able to add specialised information on them past Myst III at the moment. But I'll at least be able to set the groundwork for them. By "five main games" I presume you're not familiar with Uru then? -- Sabre (talk) 15:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Atrus' family tree: is it really necessary? It's rather large and looks awfully messy in Atrus' section. Surely it would be better to do away with it and make sure all the relevant connections are made in the prose of the articles and relevant mediums (ie, Kahlis doesn't appear outside of Book of Ti'ana). -- Sabre (talk) 17:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Halo: Contact Harvest and Publisher's Weekly

Saw you message on talk:WikiProject Books, are you still looking for that review? Let me know. --Captain-tucker (talk) 23:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

It's specifically for the audio book version, here is the abstract: The article reviews the book "Halo: Contact Harvest," by Joseph Staten and read by Holter Graham and Jen Taylor. Not sure if I should post the whole thing here, do you want to email me your email address and I will send it to you. --Captain-tucker (talk) 01:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:FA-TEAM

There is an up-and-coming project there and it seems that you would be interested. You seem to have a lot of expieience with FAs and I suggest that you go take a look. Have a good day :-)  Mm40 (talk | contribs)  15:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I see that you've joined. Could you go through King Arthur and look at the writing? Maybe improve it? Thanks.  Mm40 (talk | contribs)  15:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: Halo

I started reading from the bottom (Machinima) and several fixes were required. I will look at the rest later. If it seems close, I'll just copy-edit as I'm reading and see if we can't get it promoted. If not, I'll leave more comments. --Laser brain (talk) 14:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)