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[edit] Ron Paul

How can you say with a straight face that Paul is not STRONGLY Pro-Life.

Defining LIFE to begin at conception would effectively outlaw this despicable killing nationwide.

Stop trying to make Paul into a libertarian first and a Chistian Conservative second. He is a honest man who has himself stated that these moral principle come before his views as a libertarian.

[edit] Ron Paul's Darfur policy

I question your use of the word "non-interventionist" with respect to Paul's opposition to humanitarian aid for Darfur. I also question your motives with respect to equating this opposition, which took the form of Paul working against a Darfur aid bill in Congress, with an off-the-cuff answer to a question about military action in a hypothetical war over Taiwan. Your answer to my questioning this dubious equation is simple: remove from the main article all references to Paul's actions with respect to Darfur. You apparently would prefer that the facts on this issue not appear there. Why else would you have thrown the Taiwan "issue" into the article before removing the Darfur reference entirely. You see, a pattern to your edits emerges. You don't want Paul's true record on this issue in the main article, because you know that it is unpopular. So you first misstate it, then you delete it.

And if you really believe this issue doesn't merit attention, why did you believe that the Taiwan "issue" DID? Remember, on Darfur, Paul took actions in Congress on a real, and extremely important, issue. On Taiwan, a reporter happened to ask Paul a hypothetical question on a TV show. I believe that the Taiwan thing which you added DOESN'T merit inclusion, whereas the Darfur issue does.

Adam Holland 20:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, but I'm just trying to figure out why the Taiwan thing got added in the first place. Ideas???


OK. Why do I believe Paul's Darfur policy is important enough for inclusion? Precisely for the issues that were fudged by your comparison to Taiwan: 1) The issue of "non interventionism" is central to Paul's campaign. Paul's actions with respect to Darfur go to his definition of "intervention" including humanitarian aid. This broad definition is interesting to those trying to parse out "non-interventionism" as opposed to isolationism and does not appear elsewhere in the article. 2) This deals with real world acts by Paul that could have prevented aid to millions of people in Sudan, were he successful. 3) The issue of Darfur, although under the radar now, would likely arise as a major issue should Paul be nominated, and WILL likely be an issue regardless (partially because of #4). AND 4) Senator Clinton played a huge role on the bill that Paul opposed, and is the front-runner for the Democratic nomination, as you must know. So this is an instance where they have already debated, as it were.

Enough reasons for inclusion? Is the fact that I'm not neutral about Darfur a disqualification from editing on the subject? That would be a sad distortion of objectivity, and would exclude most sentient beings who know about the subject. What's happening there is terrible, not "allegedly" terrible as you would have it. How can one be indifferent to such an important issue?

Adam Holland 21:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

In response to the above, you state that Paul opposes ALL foreign aid, and ask, why should Darfur merit special attention in the main article? I think that four answers to that question are posted above. What didn't you see there that you're looking for? You are avoiding my arguments for inclusion. Maybe we should move this discussion to the talk page for the article. I feel like I'm talking to myself here.

Adam Holland 22:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Please address this issue on the talk page of the Paul article. By the way, I don't really want to debate in this forum the issue of Darfur aid, I just want Paul's opposition mentioned.

[edit] AfD nomination of Ron Paul controversies

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[edit] Ron Paul controversies

I'm sorry, I thought Anappealtoheaven created that article. Let me think about this and see what the supporters do. BenB4 04:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ron Paul

Oh, no problem. I appreciate that you contacted me instead of reverting again. I just wanted to organize the article. I also noticed that Wikipedia had the main page for his political views and a forked page for his views in more detail (which was basically the same for the main issues). If you want to follow the example of other candidates' pages and give a brief summary for Ron Paul's main page and then direct to the political position page I don't mind. Please just dont change the other stuff I did.

thanks,

75.37.206.111 07:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ron Paul#Poltical positions

I'm okay with it being collapsed to a single paragraph, since there is a much longer main article. I'm kind of neutral about that; I don't think it is really too long as-is. Either way is fine with me. BenB4 20:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Automatic weapons

Please review Paul's Q&A session at Google, at time 14:40-16:00, where he was asked about machine guns, and clearly said, "automatic," not semiautomatic. ←BenB4 19:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that edit. What do you see when you click on automatic weapon? ←BenB4 23:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

The questioner asked about whether people should be allowed to own "machine guns." ←BenB4 23:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Current version of article lead-in

Do you have any opinion on the inclusion of "he voted against gay adoption" and other such unsupported statements in the lead of the Ron Paul article? I reverted it twice and BenB4 has accused me of campaigning rather than simply including important information and excluding unsupported statements. (I don't think any political positins should appear in those paragraphs, but if they do, I think only important ones where he has unequivocally stated what his position is and which can be supported by reliable sources should be included.)--Gloriamarie 22:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Newsletter remarks

I have started to summarize and condense the newsletter remarks section on the Ron Paul talk page. Would you mind weighing in with your thoughts. Thanks. Turtlescrubber 15:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] List of crossings of the Upper Mississippi River

Just a quick but hearty "thanks" for correcting the format of my date. KevinWho 02:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] August 2007

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While you shouldn't have done it, the page looks fine as a stub now so I won't add it back. Camann•TALK 18:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] recent edit

I would also like to apologize for my reaction as I should have assumed you had better intentions. I have had no problems with any of your edits or comments thus far. I just had a nasty run in with another editor and the nastiness rubbed off on me. So, my apologies. Turtlescrubber 01:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Quick reminder

Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers (re:St. Cloud, Minnesota)--Appraiser 18:03, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem; I was just surprised to see your name there. Happy editing.--Appraiser 18:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Internet censorship in the United States

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[edit] not sure where to put this but...

lets work on adding more stuff to the tech high school page —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xinpig (talk • contribs) 14:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conflation of indoor arena and stadium in Hangzhou

Hi there. It looks like with the naming of this image and its description, Image:Hangzhou-yellow-dragon-stad.jpg, and your creation and information you put in Yellow Dragon Stadium, you conflated two different objects, and this confusion has propagated now to other articles. According to these sources: [1] and [2], there is a 2003-built indoor arena for 8,000 people called Yellow Dragon Stadium (黄龙体育中心, Address: Shuguang Rd./Huanglong Rd. 曙光路/黄龙路), as well as a 2000-built outdoor football (soccer) stadium for 60,000 people called Hangzhou Stadium (杭州市体育馆, Address: Hangzhou Stadium, Tiyuchang Road 体育场路杭州市体育馆（浙江日报社旁边), both part of a Hangzhou Dragon Sports Centre.

Your article Yellow Dragon Stadium conflates financial information and seating capacity (until someone else's recent edit of seating capacity) for both stadia and uses your image of the outdoor stadium. The FIFA.com page about the venue of the ongoing FIFA Women's World Cup 2007 in soccer [3] calls it "Hangzhou Dragon Stadium" and depicts the object you named Yellow Dragon Stadium - this is where the date 2000 appears.

Finally, the indoor arena named Yellow Dragon Stadium is pictured here on its openning day in November 2003: [4]. You used this link as a reference in Yellow Dragon Stadium for the quoted cost figure. It pictures a clearly different structure than the one whose picture you uploaded, and the description mentions its use for ice skating. Perhaps the name used here is a mistake?

Frankly, I'm not sure what the best way to fix this is, because while tracking this down I uncovered a lot of mentions of Yellow Dragon Stadium in the context of the football venue, and a dearth of mentions of the indoor venue, save for the two references quoted above. Perhaps we should create separate articles for the football stadium and the indoor arena, or at least unconflate the information in the present article and mention the indoor arena along with the outdoor stadium. Best Wishes, --Mareklug talk 20:32, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

P.s. I found this recent (28 July 2007) blog entry, where the author mentions Yellow Dragon Stadium and Yellow Dragon Gymnasium next door: [5]. Also, the gymnasium is marked as object no. 2 on this map of the Dragon Sports Centre made when the Centre was proposed, and in the description, the gymansium is described as seating 7,000 people and being intended among others for figure ice skating competitions: [6]. I supposed the actually built arena was made to seat 8,000. Therefore, perhaps the article for the indoor arena should be called Yellow Dragon Gymnasium? And that's where the reference link for the cost (with the picture of the indoor arena opening) should go, as well as the info about seating 8,000 people and being opened in 2003? Also, this hotel page describes the nearby "Zhejiang Provincial Yellow Dragon Gym, both a physical centre and cultural centre where art and literary activities are held.": [7]. --Mareklug talk 21:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meetup RSVP

Minnesota Meetup
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Pracna on Main
117 Main SE, Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Please pass this on! RSVP here.
Spam delivered by--Appraiser 15:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Ron Paul

Welcome back! I wondered where you had gone off to. :) Did you see that our pal Ben turned out to be a sockpuppet?--Gloriamarie 02:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of documentary films about the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989

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[edit] New Sauk Rapids Bridge

Hi, I made a few changed to New Sauk Rapids Bridge. I added in the costs of the bridge itself ($20.46 million), and I added a paragraph on the scope of the project. Being a road construction buff, I had saved newspaper articles regarding the bridge project since it began.

In the paragraph I added, I tried paraphrasing an article from when the project was just starting that stated: The project is believed to be the first transportation-induced relocation of its scale in the nation. State and federal officials are watching. If all goes well, it may set a precedent for how major downtown transportation projects are handled.

You can fix it around if I what I've added is relevant to the article, since I'm relatively new to editing Wikipedia articles.

SpaceJunkie 02:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] May 2008

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[edit] About the message

Hey, this IP address: 218.103.131.92 has never done anything of such, is this a mistake? I never contribute these pages! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.103.131.92 (talk) 13:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)