User talk:Dave Golland

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[edit] Journey Page--Hunsicker Story

I like your edits. Good job!

I'm sorry I didn't explain why I undid your original edits to the Hunsicker story; but I think you figured it out with your subsequent edit; there needed to be a better (and, it turns out, more stable) source. You've now provided that (i.e. Jeremey's blog). I've enhanced the statement and put it in the context of the latest conjectures as to who the band will ultimately pick.

I saw a lot in common between Jeremey's experiences with the band and my own with band management a few years ago, and frankly I'm not surprised about what happened to him. It's unfortunate that the people who have created such great tunes over the years don't always live up to our expectations of them as people. But as you can tell, I'm sure, from work on the page over the summer, I'm not letting those old feelings interfere with my commitment to N.P.O.V.

I actually never met Jeremey when I was living in VA a few years back, and that's one of my regrets. In any event, thanks for keeping an eye on the page and adding the story. Dave Golland 17:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I'm disappointed with the band as well - they blew it with Soto, and now with Jeremey. It will be interesting to see how the whole Arnel thing pans out. Love the site, by the way. Weatherman90 23:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Journey Page--Don't Stop Believin'

Hi Sleigh; I just wanted to thank you and say "good job" on your recent work on the Journey page. I've edited only one minor item that you changed: although "believing" is correctly spelled as I just did, the way the band spelled it when they entitled the song was "believin'" with the apostrophe for the dropped "g." Dave Golland 21:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk Page: Cecil B. Moore

I am trying to find better sources since the Inquirer article has been misplaced. Aside from the monuments and mural on the avenue that now bears his name, I haven't had much to rely on. Stay tuned... --Pastricide! Non-absorbing 18:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Try Matthew J. Countryman, Up South: Civil Rights and Black Power in Philadelphia, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 2006). The book contains an index with copious entries on C.B. Moore. Dave Golland 18:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Journey Page--"Magazine" Style

Hi Svetovid--

Good edits, overall.

I've changed the sub-headings in an attempt to address the "Magazine" tag you left on the page (and removed the tag). Please let me know what you think, and if I'm heading in the right direction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave Golland (talk • contribs) 21:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I need your help! Can you please make a few changes to the tone so I can get a better sense of how you'd like me and the other editors of the page to proceed? Dave Golland (talk) 23:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I rewrote the 'Lead Singer Replaced Again, 2006-Present' section. The best way to improve writing is to look out for deadwood phrases (wordiness) and weasel words. Content introduced by words indicating that it is based on rumors is probably not worth keeping.
Content with no sources/references, especially if it makes bold claims, should be rewritten or removed.
Example from the article: "With the mediocre sales of the album Next, the band was pressured by the studio to change direction and find a lead singer who could also, unlike the keyboard-bound Gregg Rolie, serve as a frontman."
The sentence says that the sales of the album were mediocre, but there is no source. It also says that the band was pressured, again without a source. Lack of sources is a general problem of the article.--Svetovid (talk) 19:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Looks like I and the other editors still have our work cut out for us. It may be awhile, but I'll see to it that the whole thing is overhauled for style. I'll ask you before I remove the magazine tag again.Dave Golland 01:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've rewritten the entire article. Please take a look and remove the tag if you feel it's appropriate to do so; if not, please let me know what else I need to do. Thanks!Dave Golland (talk) 17:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Journey Page and Steve Perry

Thanks for restoring the deleted paragraph on Gregg Rolie's decision to leave the band.

I'd like to talk about your recent decision to move Steve Perry to the top of the list of former members of Journey. I think that by doing so, you made the article lose its NPOV by implying that his contribution to the band was more important than those of the other former members. I know that many Journey fans would agree with such an implication, but I also know many others who feel that such a statement is at least arguable. Even if it were absolutely true, I think that elevating Perry to the top of the list would require a re-ordering of ALL former members based on their relative importance, and I can't see how we would resolve the question of importance between Prairie Prince and Bob Glaub, for instance, or between Robert Fleischman and Randy Jackson. There simply is no impartial "importance meter" with which to make such a list, unless we were to have a replay of the Gdansk vote (and I really don't think Journey rises to that level of importance). There may be other listing methods that meet NPOV standards besides alphabetical, but I can't see simply elevating Perry to the top as one.

Please note that Bob Glaub and Robert Fleischman are also former members of Journey (a drummer in 1986 and a singer in 1977, respectively). I would appreciate it if you would not delete them from the list.

Thanks, Dave Golland (talk) 07:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't pay much attention to the member list. I was just restoring a vandalised paragraph. Thanks for putting the two missing names back. The standard format is to put the names in chronological order. Alpha is fine. One thing to note... by wp:mos-l... the names in that section don't need to be linked as they are already linked more than enough in the article. It's just bad form. 156.34.142.110 (talk) 13:42, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Gotcha. Chronological might work better, I agree. I'll delete the links in the text and leave them in the list. Thanks again!Dave Golland (talk) 02:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Journey article rewrite

Please see my recent comment at Talk:Journey (band). I don't doubt your good intentions, but I think you have a skewed idea of what the WP restrictions are regarding articles on musical artists. See the FA examples I gave; there are a bunch of others. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I've replied on the Journey discussion page.Dave Golland (talk) 03:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Journey Page

Are you planning to add an item to the discussion page of the Journey article explaining why you added the NOR tag? I'm not disputing the validity of the tag but you should start a discussion so that the editors can consider how to change the article to satisfy NOR.Dave Golland (talk) 01:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I was editing at work and it slipped my mind. I usually follow up with concrete evidence to support my tagging of WP:NOR (see Trainspotting for example). I have added the motivation for the tagging to the talk page. LeilaniLad (talk) 14:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)