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[edit] usage error makes the title and its pronunciation incorrect
WP's manual of style states:
- Possessives of singular nouns ending in "s" should generally maintain the additional "s" after the apostrophe. However, if a form without an "s" after the apostrophe is much more common for a particular word or phrase, follow that form, such as with "Moses' Laws" and "Jesus' tears".
The only literature quoted in the article, such as Daniel Dafoe, writes "Davy Jones's" not "Davy Jones'." This isn't an older or obsolete form of English, and the incorrect "Jones'" is not established. "Jones's" is the correct possessive form of the singular "Jones." On the other hand, "Jones'" is the plural possessive of the (hypothetical) name "Jone." Worse, everyone pronounces "Jones's" correctly, with two syllables, but "Jones'" only has one syllable. This article is making a trivial error of modern English usage right up front in its title, but I don't know how to edit such a glaring mistake. Until this is fixed, I don't see how it can be called a Good Article, so I am asking to have its status reviewed. 0-0-0-Destruct-0 03:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
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- In playing devil's advocate, I would have to say that the main problem with this is that the search engines for Google, MSN and Yahoo! have "Davy Jones' Locker" outnumbering "Davy Jones's Locker" in search results. Even though it's assumed that it is a locker belonging to a Davy Jones, the prevalent "Davy Jones' Locker" would have you assume that it would actually be for more than one person named Davy Jone.
- Moreover, as the term is idiomatic, the correct spelling is not fixed (particularly in this subject's case, as "Davy" is sometimes spelled "Davey" or "Davie"); the most prevalent usage of the term takes more adherence over the one that is grammatically correct. Slof 14:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not intending to be pedantic with this. This particular usage error is made all the time in other contexts, which I don't support but am not going to fret over. My beef in our case is that everyone says Jones's with two syllables. It's embarrassing to see the very title, for pete's sake, clashing with this most oral of phrases. The variants of "Davy" don't suffer from this. I would say that mere outnumbering on Google shouldn't prevent the simple fix of changing the page's title, but such a change requires higher WP privileges. 0-0-0-Destruct-0 18:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- This is one of those bizarre grammar rules that only true grammarians seem to be aware of. An "S" with no apostrophe denotes plural, an apostrophe-S denotes possessive (not necessarily singular possessive since some words in plural do not add an "S"), and an S-apostrophe denotes plural possessive. However, this only applies to ordinary nouns; proper nouns ending in "S" or "Z" (such as "Jones") only take on an apostrophe when denoting possessive. Thus the correct construction is indeed "Davy Jones' Locker." At least that's the usage style taught by Associated Press Style. Nolefan32 02:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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- IMHO, if Associated Press says that, then Associated Press is wrong. More constructively: whatever AP's style manual says, Wikipedia has a style manual of its own which trumps other organizations' style manuals in this context, and (as 0-0-0-Deconstruct-0 said) Wikipedia's style manual is pretty clear on this point. As 0-0-0-Deconstruct-0 also said, changing it to "Jones's" would also be supported by the more general rule that we follow common usage. The common usage in this case is definitely "Jones's." 129.97.79.144 17:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Why sentence(s) removed
I was a bit incensed to find that someone has removed the sentence(s) of mine on Dewi and Shoney, without at least considering to tell me why via talk? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvis Rofhessa (talk • contribs) 04:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
