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Do you prefer Davis Square as a blue collar area where lottery scratch cards can litter the ground or as a gentrified hip area with new stores and restaurants? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.31.111.43 (talk • contribs) .

Davis is now "Walking Distance" to Harvard? It's a ways down the road (two T -stops). I consider myself an ambitious pedestrian, but I would prefer not to make that trip. Maybe replace with "easy biking distance", or "convenient to"? --Cosmo the third 19:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah folks, Davis Square being within walking distance to Harvard is quite an exaggeration. However, since I am not part of the Harvard Community myself (only part of the Medford community), I really can't quite comment that Davis Square is close to "parts of" Harvard University. Is any outlying part of Harvard University within, say, one mile of Davis Square? If no one can confirm or deny this statement, I will remove the Harvard reference in time. It sounds like a false advertisement to link Davis Square to the Harvard community and its Ivy League reputation, but Davis Square is much more part of the Tufts community than Harvard. Midtempo-abg (talk) 21:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Graffiti at Davis Square

Why would any non-homeless person prefer the old Davis Square? Anyone that does, is just frustrated that they don't have the means to afford living there anymore. Is it really necessary to include an isolated incident of spray painting "kill a yuppie". The person was caught by the police and will be punished....end of story. I think there's much more to Davis Square than some vandal kid who doesn't like yuppies, and it doesn't deserve that much space on this wiki page. It should be deleted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.96.184.142 (talk • contribs)

I agree. Not quite walking distance. I've done it, but I didn't really enjoy it.

--Beneeball 22:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links permissable or not?

I seem to be having difficulty adding specific links to the Davis Square article. A single administrator in particular has subjective reasons for having removed them. He has removed links to Davis Square on LiveJournal, Bostonsquares.com, and Citysquares.com - all of which I find absurd. Nevertheless, this particular administrator shall remain nameless, for the time being, but the gestapo these tactics and methods are unjust and very subjective. I'd like your opinions on whether or not Livejournal, Citysquares.com, and Bostonsquares.com should be allowed as external links within this article. Please provide your input. Thank you kindly. --Beneeball 22:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, just a regular editor. Veinor (ヴエノル^(talk)) 22:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I am an administrator, I hope I can help point you towards the right direction. Please read our policies and guidelines, specifically on External links, how to use citations, what is considered a reliable source, and lastly our guidelines on spam. Cheers! —— Eagle 101 ^{(Need help?)} 23:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd refrain from using inflammatory phrases such as "the gestapo" - Wikipedia has a no personal attacks policy (WP:NPA) and we ask members to assume good faith (WP:AGF) at all times. --Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 23:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Those links almost certainly fall on the wrong side of Wikipedia's external links policy. Citysquares is clearly commercial, and livejournal is a blog, right? Neither is acceptable under the current policies. And yes, please do not use loaded terms like the gestapo, even in jest; it's too easy for people to misunderstand your meaning.

Atlant 23:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC) (another administrator)

So who has the final say in all this, when it's all been said and done? If the community agreed that these links are reasonable, but the administrators/editors feel it is not, what happens? (My apologies for a bad choice of words, no offense was meant.) --Beneeball 23:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

No offense taken; it's a perfectly valid question! Admins have no special powers in this regard: so long as you've not crossed the (usually pretty bright) line that separates the blatant commercial spammer from someone who's just posted some debatable links, the admins are just editors like you. The only thing we may bring to the discussion is a bit more experience here at the encylopedia (or maybe not; I haven't looked at your history).

Policies and guidelines at Wikipedia are generally established by consensus. So folks have tussled over WP:EL for quite a while, and it represents the consensus of the many editors who've contributed to that guideline. Most of us then expect most articles to conform, more-or-less, to that guideline. Exceptions occur, of course (and there is WP:IAR), but these links seem pretty clear in the light of WP:EL. Still, even here, we hope to edit by consensus, so if you feel that the links don't violate WP:EL, by all means, make your case!

Atlant 00:23, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hm. Looked at the external links policy, and while it clearly strongly discourages the addition of links to blogs, it doesn't outright forbid them. Personally, I don't find a link to the LJ community a loss for the article; it adds a link to a live community centered on the area in question. I'm less sure about citysquares.com or bostonsquares.com, as those are more clearly commerial in nature (OTOH, links to corporations are clearly allowed in other articles, such as the one on diesel engines, which links to a large marine diesel engine manufacturer; I'm not certain how citysquares, etc. differ in this regard).

Tamoroso 17:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

External links are always challenging. It's clear that a link to a "corporate" website is okay on the Wiki page about a corporation so the Cat website would be allowed on the Caterpillar Inc. page. It's less clear that links to manufacturers of an item should be allowed on a page about a topic, so whether or not we allow www.cat.com on the Diesel engine page is iffy; I tend to vary my judgement based on how many potential manufacturers we'd need to accommodate. That's what makes me disinclined to allow any "chat"- or "blog"-type links about a city or city district; allow in one and there's a nearly-unlimited set of chatrooms and blogs that will clamor for equal access.

Atlant 17:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

So based on what I'm hearing, providing that the External Link is appropriate for the content of the article and subject matter, it seems that links to Bostonsquares, Livejournal, and Citysquares is ok. Please let your final opinion be known. Thank you. --Beneeball 01:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Based on what I'm hearing, it isn't. Veinor (ヴエノル^(talk)) 19:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Yet you allow the new Restaurants link that's up there? --74.92.22.169 17:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)