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When Djokovic beat the top 3 players in the world he was ranked number 4 and as a result became number 3 as he still is . Of course that IS quite a feat but hardly the same as doing it at number 25 unseeded and on the back of injury and poor results for 18 months as David has done . This is quite a comeback . I have not seen anybody make this point in the press as there is a big difference between the two events . As correctly stated in this article but not in the press Boris Becker did not do it back to back ( i.e. did NOT beat the top 3 consecutively - though he did still beat them in the same tournament ) . I don't feel David Nalbandian is getting the level of recognition he should for one of the most amazing achievments ever in tennis . It is also totally different doing it in 2007 than in 1993 as Becker did . The top 3 now rarely lose except to each other and are well clear on points even over the next player at number 4 with others in the top 10 on a fraction of the points . David's amazing week cannot be over emphasised . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.137.10.164 (talk) 16:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


Is all the verbiage related to Nalbandian being "boring on and off the court" part of an objective discussion of this athlete?

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[edit] Playing Style

For a top player, David Nalbandian certainly does not "hold serve comfortably". He is broken more often than other players of his calibre. John McEnroe even said "his serve is a weakness".

Can somebody post a picture of him? Thanks. 66.215.30.56 03:35, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Equipment

It is quite clear that David Nalbandian does not play with the Yonex RDS 001 as said above, but rather plays with an older Yonex racquet that is painted to look like the Yonex RDS 001. If you pay close attention, you will note that the shape of Nalbandian's racquet is slightly longer and less isometric than the shape of the RDS 001. Repainting an older racquet to endorse the newer models is a common practice in men's tennis because players do not want to change the racquets which they've played with for most of their lives, and so the racquet manufacturers will then simply repaint the older model and advertise as if the player is playing with the new model. Nalbandian actually plays with the Yonex RD Ti-70 Long. This racquet has a 98 sq. inch head size, and is 27.5 inches long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.30.140.235 (talk • contribs)

Previous comment extracted from article. Mariano(t/c) 08:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] More Information

Could someone please give some more accounts on his early life and the years of working to become a professional tennis player? Perhaps you could describe a bit more of him...perhaps I need to look for something myself...


[edit] 2006 French Open Semi Finals

During the match, Nalbandian was dictating the game, it could be said that Nalbandian almost had Federer running the full court to return the hits. In the first set, he led 6-3 and the second set Nalbandian secured a 3-0 and the impending victory for the second set seemed to be the thrid seeded player's. However, if one would remember or if one had recorded the match, the Argentine's serves and volleys were weakened, his energy depleting and something was draining his usual gritty behaviour on court. Soon, he called for his trainer and a medic and were engaged in a deep discussion. Federer held on, he pinned this second set to his victory and eventually, as the heat of the Parisian sun and the minutes went by, Nalbandian forfeited the match, therefore Roger Federer advances to the finals with either defending champion and second seeded Spaniard Rafael Nadal or fourth seeded Croatian Ivan Ljubicic.

I listened to the way the commentators reported and remarked to Nalbandian's discussion and it just disgusts me. I admit I am a David Nalbandian supporter I may appear to be bias to some readers but I want defend his decision. I also heard the way the audience reacted but what was offending and nasty was the way the Australian commentators judged him. Evidently, there was a reason for him to quit the match because of abdomenal injuries. I am not a tennis player but a runner and soccer player and I know an abdomenal injury in tennis affects your serves and not just your serve but your returns and your condition. I strongly believe that Nalbandian is a competitive and determined player and he would not forfeit for a silly reason. The commentators asserted that because he was losing to his opponent and saw no hope in winning, he thus utilised the pain to evade the match.

I believe that is a ridiculous assumption to make of him, every player's hopes and dreams would be to win a Grand Slam, something they could look back when they retire. They also realise sometimes the dream could come true, sometimes they miss out but everyone of them has one thing in common, that is, to battle their way through the rounds, quarters, semis and finals at their optimum strength to achieve their goal. Should they forfeit the match it clearly means something severe has happened and if there is another way for them to be cured in an instant or anything to continue the game they would, without hesitation, select the decision. In all honesty, the Argentine was the one playing the match and ultimately, it is up to him on how he wants to play and if it was wise to continue. I deem that he made the right choice, perhaps he should take the time to recover and you commentators merely sit in their air conditioned rooms and judge players. Even if a semi conscious person would know they would not quit a semi finals match unless something dire was holding them back.

I understand how the fans and the audience would feel at the sudden retirement, paying for the tickets, making their way out to the hot sun and watching the game with patience and support and myself using up the time which I was suppose to dedicate it to exams revision, to watch him play. We must understand Nalbandian is doing this for himself and the pain must be excruciating thus compeling him to quit and I respect his decision. I also cannot believe that people assert he was faking an injury for something so dear to him.

--Tamar Azalbarian 03:58, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] is he injured?

David hasnt entered into any tournaments since like March. Is something wrong with him? If so, we should add it, because we dont have anything about him since the semi-finals of the davis cup. i cant because im not a registered user. 70.76.203.130 22:33, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category removal

Why was the Armenian tennis player category removed? VartanM 22:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Because he us not Armenian.
The fact that he has Armenian ancestors doesn't make him Armenian. Categories such as Category:Armenian-Argentines are already controversial but usually toletared. Claiming that David is an Armenian tennis player is simply not true. You can try finding a source stating that he holds an Armenian passport, but I'm pretty sure you won't find any, since (I believe) he does not. Good wiking, --Mariano(t/c) 22:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
It actually does. How else would you determine ones nationality? I think your confusing nationality with citizenship. nationality comes from your parents. Citizenship usually comes from being born in one country or that country accepting you as its citizen. Holding one countries passport doesn't make you a that countries national, it only makes you that countries citizen. I could be Chinese with an Armenian passport, that would mean I'm an Armenian citizen not Armenian. Including the category Armenian tennis players in this article only mean that I and other users interested in Armenian tennis players will have easier and faster time accessing it. VartanM 23:21, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I stronly suggest you read the Nationality article. If you want to go filosophic I could go even further and ask you 'how do you know Nalbandian even feels Armenian?'. My grand parents were Polish, and I would never say I'm Polish; I don't even know a bit of the language or their costums. Don't take this personal, but claiming that he is an Armenian tennis player is least to say deceitful. --Mariano(t/c) 00:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
This is not about the what Nalbandian or I feel. He actually feels just a little bit Armenian[1]. This is about him having Armenian parents and an Armenian last name. Again wikipedia categories is not meant for me or anybody to claim anything. Its only a way to categorize articles to have an easier access to them. Lets say if he moved from Argentina to US, then it would be appropriate to include the American tennis players category, because he would be living and playing from US. I don't see why you're making such a big deal out of this. VartanM 00:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
No, living in USA doesn't make you American. Again, please read carefully, the Nationality article.
What's more, from your source:
  • Q. Do you feel part of the Armenian people?
  • DAVID NALBANDIAN: I never been there, so is quite tough to feel that way. Just a little bit, yes.
  • Q. Do you speak Armenian?
  • DAVID NALBANDIAN: No.
What clearly shows he has little connection with the Armenian culture.
--Mariano(t/c) 16:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry but you're missing the point here. Were not talking about his connection to the Armenian culture. Were talking about the facts and the facts are that his parents are Armenian, he's Armenian and his kids are going to be Armenian. The source I proved proves my point that he knows about his Armenian heritage and he's not denying it. And yes I did read the Nationality article and this is what it says "nationality is established at birth by a child's place of birth and/or bloodline". So that would make him an Armenian by bloodline. VartanM 03:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
The fact that Nationality can [in some cases] be aquired by blood line doesn't mean it is always and automatically. Please, read the hole article carefully, specially on the difference between nationality and citizenship. It is also untrue that a far blod past grants you a Nationality. As I said before, my parents were Polish and Spanish, but I don't have neither nationality, nor will (probably) my children. It also widelly depends on the Nationality law of each country, but in any case, acquicition of a Nationality is not automatic, you have to ask for it, and Nalbandian simply did not.
His parents might be Armenian, he simply isn't, not from a legal point of view, nor from a cultural one.
--Mariano(t/c) 13:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Lets get something clear, because I don't think were on the same page here. Are you saying that he's not Armenian? VartanM 21:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Basically? yes. He might be labeled as 'Armenian descendant', but as a tennis player, his ancestors play no importance: he's as Armenian as I'm Polish or Diego Maradona is Croatian; not. Labeling him as an Armenian tennis player is simply false. --Mariano(t/c) 17:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
He's Armenian and he's a tennis player, I don't see your point of argument here. I'm not claiming he's playing for Armenia. Would you still have a problem if category was named Tennis players of Armenian descent? VartanM 16:49, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
No, if the category had that name we wouldn't be having this conversation. --Mariano(t/c) 01:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)--201.231.173.30 01:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


Nalbandian es el mejor jugador del mundo, y nadie lo puede negar, en una semana venció al #3, al #2 y al #1!!! ¿que más puede hacer para demostrar que es un maestro? pero con mala suerte porque en 2 años le fue realmente muy mal no solo en lo profesional sino también en lo personal, pero siempre sorprende es un genio!. Argentina te amo --Vokoder 16:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Lead sentence and ethnicity

I removed ethnicity from the lead sentence per wp:mosbio and placed it further into the article. Maybe a family section could be started where this could go? --Tom 15:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lead

Why is the fact that he has beaten Federer and Nadal worthy of the opening? I mean . . . that's nice . . but he's an excellent player. I'm sure he's beaten Safin, Agassi, and others. So?--Lindsay (talk) 03:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree, but is probably since those two are currently so highly ranked and regarded. It does seem out of place compared to other tennis bios. I would move that down in the article but I am sure its already discussed without even looking. TIA --Tom 14:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I tweaked the lead per above. --Tom 15:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)