Talk:David Dein

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Can we agree that some sort of discussion of what the media have stated about Dein's dual role would be right on this page. I entered:

There has been much discussion in the UK media over the past few years of Dein's abilities to cover his role for club and country without a major conflict of interest. This came to a head in 2006 during the appointment of the new England national manager, with Dein seemingly blocking an approach for Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger. The selection of Arsenal youngster Theo Walcott also raised eyebrows after it emerged that Dein had suggested to England manager Sven-Göran Eriksson (whom Dein had been central in appointing) that he should select Walcott for the England World Cup squad despite his neither having played for his club side nor having played in the Premiership.

If I'm required to provide sourcds ro these media stories that I've mentioned I'm more than happy to do so. However, I feel that what I have written is objective and balanced.

Jmds 17:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)jmds

As it stands it's nothing more than rumour and weasel words: Who has been discussing it? Whose eyebrows were raised, and why is it a big deal? The claims that Dein blocked an approach for Wenger (who in any case wasn't interested), or influenced Eriksson to pick Walcott are totally unfounded. Especially when you consider that if Walcott were to play for England, Arsenal would have to pay Southampton an additional fee; if anyone in the FA's hierarchy has a conflict of interest, it would be Southampton chairman Rupert Lowe who is a member of the FA Council and whose club would financially benefit.

Why is Dein singled out for a conflict of interest when other members of the FA board, such as Phil Gartside, the Bolton chairman and Sam Allardyce's boss, are in the exact same position? Why not Noel White, who is head of the the FA's International Committee and a director of Liverpool? Nearly all major players in the FA also hold senior posts at clubs; it seems unfair to pick out Dein on his own. Qwghlm 19:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Because until 2004 Dein held a far more senior role than any other Premier League chairman, and his influence remains. Who has been discussing it? I had provided a link to a Guardian article doing just that until someone (presumably an Arsenal fan) deleted it.

Regarding the Premier League letter to Spurs, it is full of mistakes/lies, such as the claim that: "Of the six players confirmed with S & D, only two were in the starting eleven for your last three Premier League matches." Dawson, Lennon, Carrick, Tainio, and Keane (5 of the 6 ill players) had started in all 3 games. Davids (the other ill player) had started 2 of the 3 and was ineligible for the 3rd game.

I can't understand this vindicativeness. Dein seems to have obtained mythical status and the reason behind many teams failures or football issues. This seems irrational, Dein is an active member of the North london Jewish Community and has many Spurs connected friends including Irvine Scholar His son is married to Alan Sugar's daughter. If you actual knew what you were talking about you would understand that Dein's demise from the FA Board was due to his opposition for clarity over agents fees and the prohibition for clubs to pay the fees of players they acquire. Vivbaker 09:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] tapping up

I think we can all accept clubs tap up other players or are in contact with them or their agents.

Dein was criticised by Hill Wood for pursuing the case against Chelsea whose main crime appears to have been arranging the meeting in a public place the week before the two teams met in a key premiership match. Part of the consequence was the breakdown of Arsenal's relationship with A Cole who appears determined to move elsewhere.

The article referred to only states Arsene Wenger met the player not Dein. The fact that Sevilla eventually sold Baptista to Real Madrid implies he was probably available for sale. Sevilla did not take the matter up with UEFA or FIFA. You could say Arsenal were equally sinned against with Barcelona's relentless chase for Henry or speculation created by Real Madrid over Wenger, Fabregas or Reyes. --Vivbaker 08:19, 20 June 2006 (UTC)