Talk:David Archuleta/Archive 1

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Contents 1 BLP and Notability 2 DialIdol 3 I give up 4 But 5 Article protection - March 2008 6 Sources? 7 He probably is, but... 8 Archies 9 Dream Girls shouldn't be credited for "And I'm Telling You I'm Not Going"

BLP and Notability

I added a tag to this article regarding the notability of the subject. I see no evidence that this person is notable for anything other than being on American Idol. It is a long-standing practice not to give contestants their own page on Wikipedia unless and until they do something notable. See WP:BLP1E regarding people notable for only one event. —BradV 20:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Well and as I've said elsewhere, even the Idol project generally doesn't make articles for people until they've reached the finals unless they are previously notable. And remember folks. BLP applies. Do NOT add unsourced information. It will be removed. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

And I've removed the notability tag. The kid won Star Search. Corvus cornix_talk 03:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Many many people won competitions on Star Search throughout the years. That doesn't always equal notability. It's not like Idol where there is just one winner a year. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

DialIdol

Is not a reliable source. Look at this week, where almost half of the contestants showed up with no data. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 01:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

"Look at this week, where almost half of the contestants showed up with no data." There is data, it's just not showing. Put your mouse on the '0', a little box will appear and show the data (score). For example, this week Luke Menard is shown with no data but put the mouse on the 0 and it shows his score as 2.391. Not that I mean to say DialIdol is relaiable, just wanted to correct this little misconcenption. Regards, Mindia 121.247.68.245 (talk) 17:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I give up

I'm guessing that this article is going to end up being completely fancruft and unreadable like the Sanjaya Malakar article is. So I think it's pointless to try to patrol it. I can just imagine how impossible it'll be once we're into the top 3 or 4. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 08:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

If vandalism becomes too much we can always semi-protect the article to limit anon IPs. Benjiboi 10:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

But

Generally, unless it's a semi-finalist who is notable without American Idol, they do not get their own pages. This is a long standing policy. Since he didn't get an article until Idol came on for season 7, I'm not sure how he can be that notable. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 03:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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Let's give it a few weeks, based on prior Star Search win and critical response so far it's likely plenty of reliable sources will support an article. Benjiboi 10:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

It seems like a strange policy -- the top American Idol winners are as entry-worthy as the many other minor celebrities listed elsewhere in Wikipedia.

I don't quite agree with that. If all they've done is become one of the top 20 they may or may not meet the notability requirements. Archuleta seems to have met them as well as having many sources so this article seems safe even if he got eliminated next round. Benjiboi 09:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

If he is eliminated before the finals, he will no longer be considered notable. Of course, that's not going to happen. He has a huge built-in fanbase. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 09:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, we can deal with it when we need to, no worries. p.s. Thank you for finding that Gnarls Barkley ref. Benjiboi 12:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Article protection - March 2008

I'm a little fatigued by all the vandalism, does anyone else support semi-protection which would limit editing to only established registered users? Others could post to the talk page for changes. Benjiboi 03:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd be all for it. He has a HUGE teenage fan base and he isn't going away anytime soon. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 12:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I've put in a request. Benjiboi 20:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Sources?

Where are the sources implying his notability before American Idol came around? I doubt any Star Search or mySpace success would count (unless of course independantly covered) Gwynand (talk) 15:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

No idea. That's what I've been wondering. :) --Woohookitty^Woohoo! ]]) 18:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Here's a source then. Is this acceptable? Shapiros10 (talk) 21:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Google news has 40+ here Benjiboi 10:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

From the article page: "On 5 March 2008, Archuleta's single "Imagine" reached #1 on iTunes' album chart, while "Shop Around" charted at #8." There is no source listed for this. Where did this information come from? Abinidi (talk) 03:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Beats me, it was added by an anonymous user about a day ago. See revision. I can only assume it came from somewhere as here, but the iTunes Store Top 10 Albums doesn't keep track of dates, so it's not reliable. - Io Katai (talk) 03:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

It's from the Itunes' rankings page. I'm unsure how to see it without being in Itunes itself so if anyone is able to do that it would be helpful. Also even though they are actually singles they are called albums within the iTunes universe. Benjiboi 03:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

He probably is, but...

Being from Utah, their is a more than even chance that he's LDS (Mormon). But is there a reliable resource that verifies this? I couldn't find that info on the American Idol website, but I notice he's LDS according to one of his categories. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 20:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

• See here or any other Utah news source. -Lөvөl 21:06, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I actually had a source in the article but it disappeared. Yes he's a member of LDS. In fact, there's a link out there that lists celebrity LDS members and he's in it. And it isn't a random list. It's from the church itself. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 22:47, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

As we want to be careful when labelling anyone's religion let's make sure we have a reliable source that states this. I would hate for him to lose favor with folks over religious issues so we should also be clear if this is important to his notability. If he talks about it then fine. Otherwise the article should focus on his singing and items related to his notability. Benjiboi 02:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I've removed this one - <ref name="BCSD">{{cite web | title=BCSD - David Archuleta | publisher=The Boy Choir & Soloist Directory | date=January 1, 2004 | url =http://www.boysoloist.com/artist.asp?VID=743 | accessdate=2008-02-27}}</ref>. Anyone can add nearly anything to the website and it seems like it was copied from someone else's bio. The LDS site is better but I'd feel more comfortable removing it until we have a more neutral source. Arguably LDS benefits by promoting successful members as would any group. We don't have, as of yet, statements from the subject, his family or reliable sources that they are religious or even go to the church. Any thoughts?

I readded it because it sourced information that was not mentioned in the first. It's a biography webpage that takes its source from David Archuleta's old website, davidarchuleta.net. If you wish to contest the information, then cite the Internet Archive Wayback instead. - Io Katai (talk) 03:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry but unreliable sources simply don't cut it. I've left the content, it really doesn't seem that controversial. The wayback machine for David's website is the way to go. But the boy choir directory isn't up to the standard of reliability. Benjiboi 23:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Good call, I've added the wayback links to his bio from several years ago. Benjiboi 00:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Now I'm confused. I checked the ref provided by Lөvel above (Deseret News) and it checks out. It is a newspaper and says he's LDS. That's not verifiable or reliable? — Frecklefσσt | Talk 16:58, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I would caution about using it as it has little or nothing to do with his singing which is what he is notable for. If he mentions it in an interview or talks about how his faith or church-going is important then fine. Otherwise I would leave it for now. Benjiboi 00:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Benji. His faith is somewhat arbitrary in regards to his celebrity status as a singer. While we may have a source stating he is (and it appears to be a obscure Mormon blog), we should not be cherrypicking little pieces of info to include. If it's the kind of thing that is getting covered repeatedly my different news sources, or is the major topic of a reliable source, then maybe then we include it. Without that, it look's like we are researching ourselves. Gwynand (talk) 12:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

• How about famousmormons.net or Buddy TV or TV Guide. It is mentioned that Brooke White is, on her page. David has also said he that is, in interviews on KSTU Fox 13 (there is currently no statement on My Fox Utah though) while Brooke hasn't -Lөvөl 16:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Cha-ching! Ok, famousmormons.net is pretty useless as is Buddy TV which only reffed someone else...but TV Guide reffered to a LA Times article which refers to why he likely didn't sing the first verse of "Imagine" thus we can now add this as critical commentary. Benjiboi 19:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Archies

Hey, I just wanted to know if this page can have something mentioning the Archies (the way that the fans of David Archuleta call themselves). You can see this reference mostly at Americanidol.com. It's because I want to make an userbox that redirects here, but it needs to mention the Archies. --Arthur Benthos (talk) 17:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

• I've put something about the Archies now in his page. You can delete it if you all think it doesn't belong there, or help me on spreading about his fandom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthur Benthos (talk • contribs) 18:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Here's a ref you can use. Benjiboi 16:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Dream Girls shouldn't be credited for "And I'm Telling You I'm Not Going"

The song was originally by Jennifer Holiday (I think..), and how could it be credited if he performed it before the movie was even out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.36.234 (talk) 15:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Dream Girls started out as a play, over 25 years ago. It is referencing that, not the movie.Gwynand (talk) 16:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)