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[edit] Instruments

Uh, Davey does not play guitar. At all. I just removed that fake info.

[edit] Son of Sam

Er, was Son of Sam really a Samhain TRIBUTE? That doesn't seem right. I mean, it was all original songs, and Davey wrote the lyrics... Anyone else think that should be changed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Krys Nyteshade (talk • contribs) 13:00, 5 July 2005 (UTC)

why is davey havok's wikipedia locked from editing?? PLEASE UNLOCK IT!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.145.42 (talk) 16:43, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

--yeah, that doesn't seem right. I mean, two members of Samhain were in Son of Sam themselves. It was probably just a chance for the samhain/danzig guys to get away from Danzig (he's not the nicest fellow, I am told)--but I don't think that's something to say. So, son of sam is just a side-project then? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.108.120.231 (talk • contribs) 23:27, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
The songs are all original (lyrics, notes and all), that is not of relevance. It was as tribute not a cover. -- Jon Dowland 18:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
see the quote on Son Of Sam (band) -- Jon Dowland 18:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

THIS (AS OF DECEMBER 20) IS GOOD. NOBODY MESS WITH IT!!!

[edit] Birthname

Davey Havok's Wiki page lists his name as David Anthony Passaro. That's the end of it.Deathwithafireinside (talk) 03:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Davey DOES NOT want his real name to be discussed! He changed it for his own reasons! Please respect him and DO NOT DISCUSS THIS TOPIC FURTHER!

What is your relationship to Havok that this topic gets you so fired up? As I've said before, the artist has no input in an encyclopeia entry about him; the encyclopedia shal reflect what he has done/is doing in his life, not what he want the public to know. Are you also currently in a campaign to get the Notable Names Database to erase Havok's 'also known as' name? BabuBhatt 14:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

He's birth name is David Passaro. He gets Marchand from his step-dad. I'm still not quite sure what his middle name is. I do believe it is Anthony, though.

davey's middle name IS anthony i knwo this for a fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AFIafflcition (talk • contribs) 21:52, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps his real name should be changed to David Passaro Marchand? If you know his middle name for sure, you should include it.

By the way, of course his real name should stay. This is an encyclopedia, after all. It should include all verifiable information whether you want it to or not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sion6 (talk • contribs) 21:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Davey's middle name is Lee, just in case any one wanted know, its easily accesible as his senior year book picture is all over the internet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.128.203.166 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
davey real name is David Anthony Marchand
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0369898/bio —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.106.183.59 (talk • contribs) 01:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- IMDB is wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.32.33.42 (talk • contribs) 12:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
You should respect His wishes and not post any name but what he chooses to go by. Having his last name public leads to fans knocking on his front door and bothering his parents and family. By the way, most of your guesses are wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.32.33.42 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Look if Davey wanted his real name advertised dont you think he wouldn't have changed it in the first place? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.29.194.157 (talk • contribs) 03:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
The artist has no input into what is included in a factual encyclopedia. Does anyone have a legitimate source for David Marchand and his birth name? BabuBhatt 22:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Rey Brujo - The talk page was modifed here and someon'e commentes were unpolitely changed. I'll change them back.
I added a reference for David Marchand's birth last name. Here is the code for a quick re-add, since it will undoubtedly continue to be deleted: as David Marchand<ref>[http://www.amiright.com/names/pseudo/d.shtml Music performer pseudonyms], AmIRight.com</ref> BabuBhatt 19:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
-- That reference site is based on submissions of random people, it is no way factual. Might as well have the wiki reference itself. This is not a legitimate source.
--- Why is this debate still going on? His name was listed in an interview as well as the name of his brother, Micheal Marchand, and they also discussed his father who's last name is Passaro. His name was changed to Marchand when his mother re-married. His middle name is Lee, not Anthony. None of this information is a secret and Davey never actually said he didnt want his full name out, I am trying to locate the interview now, I believe it was in an issue of Metal Hammer back in 2003/2004.

OK... now the article is just stupid, in the opening it doesn't mention the name "Davey Havok" at all... when that is who the article is about. It mentions the name Marchand twice instead?... if he was born "Passaro" then don't put "Marchand" as his birth name. - Deathrocker 20:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

From an Interview;

  • Question: Did your parents split up when you were quite young then?

Davey: Actually my dad died when I was very young - my blood father - but I'd rather not go into that...

And later in regards to the surname & religion:

  • Question: What is your Italian surname?

Davey: Passaro. But I haven't had that name for years. I'm not a catholic, I don't really adhere to any of the greater - or lesser - religions.[1]

I took out his birth name after someone added the middle name "Gepetto." While that did make me laugh, it's not true. X stella 21:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

If somebody ads "Gepetto" just replace it with "Lee". But do not remove the surname the man himself has said in an interview that he was born as "Passaro". - Deathrocker 14:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

"D.A.Marchand" is who is credited in linear notes of older CDs. I'll work on citing this material. - Enzo Dragon 07:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

If you're not going to put Passaro then take off the part that says that he was BORN Marchand.

"Davey Havok" is his "current" name, while his BORN name was Marchand. This is standard for everyone with a stage name. Look up other articles. - 70.16.203.48 05:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

No, it isn't. David Passaro is his BIRTHname, as the man himself stated in an interview. Stop being ignorant and read the section from an interview he gave above. He was born as Passaro, but as the interview says, his biological father died when he was very young. Thus when his mother re-married, Davey took on his step-father's name "Marchand".... doesn't mean he was born as Marchand, it means he later aquired it as his legal name. Is that really so difficult to grasp? - Deathrocker 05:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I was only commenting on the decision that had seemed to be made at the time of my post! We had decided, it seemed, that Marchand was the only citable birth name, and that Havok was (of course) his stage name. What I meant was that the sentence (as it was at the time of my post) was redundant, and listed his stage name twice. Not only that, but the grammar besides the redundancy was awful.
That said, I definitely think the current opening statement works nicely. - 64.222.185.171 09:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

what's this i hear about his middle name being paden? LollyLo 05:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Dave's gone on record (i.e. in interviews) to say that his middle name is in fact Paden, and that is the reason why his latest clothing line is going to be brandishing said name. Therefore, it should be changed on here from David Anthony to David Paden in order to keep up consistency. {{editprotected}} middle name is incorrect, should be changed. missayla 04:55, June 6 2007 (UTC)

Done. I've gone ahead and commented-out the middle name until a source is provided. Cheers. --MZMcBride 16:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Here's your source. [2] I'm confused as to where everyone's getting "Anthony" from. Enzo stated that earlier CDs/records have him credited as D.A. Marchand, which isn't true as far as I know. They all either say "Dave," "Davey," or "Davey Havok." But if you have something that says otherwise, we'd like to see it. yay! 71.102.119.193 (talk) 21:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

His birthname is David Anthony Passaro; his middle name is not Paden. That was the name of one of his clothing lines. I'm confused as to why his birth middle name is listed as Paden here...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.169.134.224 (talk) 20:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

WHAT? You guys are all wrong, at this rate you might as well put his middle name a "Glitterboy." It has been gone over a million times on the messageboards as well as in countless interviews. Davey's middle name is Francis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.32.33.32 (talk) 22:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AKA name legitimate link

Davey Havok at Notable Names Database. BabuBhatt 20:49, 18 September 2006 (UTC) who care I mean realy why can't we just stick with the name he wants! gosh you peaple are imposible —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.179.175.126 (talk) 16:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Davey Pictures

PLEASE! keep up to date pictures. We want the most recent photo's of Davey. Keep this in mind for people who don't know who he is. If you must, please put pictures of early Davey in the history section. Thank you. Oh, and don't please, PLEASE CITE YOUR SOURCES! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.213.20.35 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture Change

Can we please get a new picture? That is a very old picture of Davey, and its not a very good picture anyway. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lemonxsmoothie (talk • contribs) 15:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

oh, yay, new picture! LollyLo 05:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sexuality

Who cares now-a-days, gay, straight, he's awesome i know that, i know that i am not gay but i could care less who is. We are sexual beings and it is no longer fair in this day and age to categorize people so you know what to love and what to hate about them. bigots. Deathwithafireinside (talk) 03:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Someone continuously says that Davey is openly homosexual. this is not true - there is no evidence of this. On the AFI website is says he is not gay. stop changing it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Canucks fan1763 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

you sound so homophobic and it doesn't say anything about hes sexuality on the afi website. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.7.183.132 (talk • contribs) 01:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
-Actually it does, and has repeatedly. Davey is straight. End of story. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.32.33.42 (talk • contribs) 12:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
No, he is bi sexual, you all are wrong. He is Bi sexual in 2004 he came out to the public saying he was. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.227.254.245 (talk • contribs) .

Look...I don't care wat u say! I still luv him 2 bits! No matter what his sexuality is! I really don't care! (As long as he prefers girls I'm okay!)

Jade (the guitarist) has posted on the band's message board several times in the past that Davey is not gay. He never came out, your friends lied.

Davey has never commented publicly about his sexuality. What he has done is make comments about being attracted to various women, including Adriana Lima, Camilla Belle, and Keira Knightley. People enjoy claiming that Davey is gay because it makes it easier for them to understand him. Gay or not, the entry stating he has "come out" as bisexual is totally fabricated, and has no place in an encyclopedia. And please, do not comment that this is homophobic. That is ridiculous- this is nothing but an attempt to make this page factual, and not the product of some threatened male's falsities. Belovedone 03:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

-- While I completely agree his sexuality should be left out, if we're going with the idea of him commenting on being attracted to people he has also openly admited an attraction to Johnny Depp whom he refers to as his boyfriend quite often, Jude Law, and several other men. Its easy to make a case for him either way.

Just my 2 cents, isn't everyone on Earth attracted to Johnny Depp???

Everybody who claim Mr. Havok's gay/straight/bi, I'd really like to see all y'all sources. As far as I know he has never talked about this in public. In every interview - when this question has come up, he jokes it away or makes fun of the journalist. Gothic Embrace 22:07 (GMT+1), 27th October 2006

You're everywhere, aren't you, Embrace? Anyway, I've cleared this whole thing up with cited quotes direct from Puget. Now all of you can get a nice dose of the truth. - Enzo Dragon 01:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Can we have something that basically says that his sexuality often guessed about, but Davey refuses to comment? That's pretty unbiased IMHO. The chicken lady 21:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused! Because in the A.F.I. song : "Love Like Winter" he sing's about kissing not only a woman, but also a man...Twice...

The song has two perspectives, one of a man and one of a woman...
Maybe he's like The Todd, attracted to everyone and everything ;-) Seriously, though, we work with the sources we have and can't just infer that he's gay because of what he sings about. Also, songs are generally fictional, so who knows what it meant. - JNighthawk 12:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
"Also, songs are generally fictional". SOME songs are but most certainly not all. Also, Davey never ever explains the meanings to his lyrics so we'll forever be left with our own personal interpretations and will probably never know what he meant. And thank God for that. Sion 12:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... Maybe so... besides it's just lyrics (really good lyrics, but lyrics none the less)

someone said they would really like the sources of the people that believe that davey is gay. well i believe that he might have a relationship with jade puget. my source are the pictures and comments written by davey and jade themselves at buzznet. there are pictures of them two int eh bed together. but who cares cuz afiis an awesome band and i love their music.

So what if you saw pictures, they are probably fakes, photoshopped! Like Davey and Jade would let pictures of that of themselves online,and even if they did, I'm sure either Davey or Jade would tell us and say some pictures slipped. I've photoshopped a picture of Jade and a Chicken in bed, does that mean if I put it online for some reason Jade REALLY slept with a chicken. Come on people, really.....

whatever. im not sayin you are wrong, but the picts. didn't look they were made up. who cares anyways. they are still cool people. so waht if he's gay or not.

I heard that he's having relationships with an artist named Jeffree Star theres pictures and every thing to prove it,but gay or not and if they are really "going out" they look cute together.

Davey said in an interview that the lyrics in love like winter were to allow everyone to relate to the lyrics, rather than anything to do with his sexuality. The pictures of Jade and Davey in bed were more than likely photoshopped. I suspect that a significant amount of fuel to the fire of debate about Davey's sexuality comes from slash fanfic places like www.afislash.com The chicken lady 19:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Um, a lot of you are making it sound like you're foruming. Take it somewhere else, please.- Floramage! 15:29, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

No He's not gay or whatever the hell you say he is, he's straight.--Skatetrash 17:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


OK everybody listen. It DOES NOT MATTER what sexuality Davey is. BUT I can say with confidence, that I can TELL he is straight. He is feminine alright, but you can see he's straight. The way he acts fools some people into thinking he's gay, but i think that's just cause he's not afraid to expresse his feminine side, unlike most males. In closing, Davey is a straight man. And a hot one at that.


Davey is a straight man. His straightedge style can be feminine at times, but not necessarily gay. So stop posting untrue facts and trying to turn everyone against Davey, because they're not going to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.203.235.126 (talk) 19:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Davey never gives a direct answer when questioned about his sexuality, so it's hard to say. He just jokes about it, or laughs it off. But does it really matter? Not just for him, but in general, does it really matter if someone's gay, straight, or bi? He writes beautiful music, and I don't care what orientation he is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.243.179.100 (talk) 21:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I visited this page cause I was curious. I dont really care, anymore. Because Davey Havok is his own person, and I know what it's like to have people questioning you about your sexuality, and it's hard to dismiss without looking like you're hiding something. I think everyone needs to just calm down and just enjoy the music of the band, rather than focus on who's gay or not. Yes, it would cure my curiosity to find out how he's sexually orientated, but at the end of the day, it's not really our business to go snooping around on the internet, trying to find out. And for the record, the photos that I have seen of Jade and Davey, were hot. And all us Javey fans out there can hope, but since Jade has a girlfriend, I seriously doubt anything will become of it. It was probably a joke or dare made by someone. Anyway, the punchline was: Get off this site like I am about to do and just forget about finding out about Davey's personal life. It has nothing to do with us, and until he says it does, it will remain that way. Mouse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.112.138.177 (talk) 18:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

I think there has been a little too much Vandalism on this page. Seem the last few Anon. Edits have done such a thing. Anyway to control that?--Bopher1 03:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC) I dont care i think he is gay. he is hot. gay people are cool im not homophobic im bisexual myself so it doesnt matter.

Bibliography was vandalized again, I've seen articles locked and can only be edited by registered users, someone should request it. Kniesten 22:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

18:06, 28 September 2006 Prezboy1 edited the main page. go check the history. now scroll to the bottom. the words "i'm a fu**ing fa**ot" are there, and weren't there before. funnier still - they're still there! i'm going to remove it now, but thought i'd let people know. Matthiasman 00:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

It sounds like he has never said anything about his sexuality for people to be jumping to conclusions. Besides does it realy matter?


who really gives a shit. its his choice. if anyone is a homophobe its the one who say hes not gay. what r u afraid hes not gonna like you or hes evil just cause hes gay. fuck that shit. let the guy be himself and stop fighting over it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mascara Smeared Baby Doll (talk • contribs) 19:56, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Biography

There NEEDS to be more about Davey as far as his biography is concerned, ie: personal life, childhood, etc.

Davey Havok lived in Carmichael, CA (Sacramento Area) from 5 to 12 years old. There he attended Catholic school, briefly played soccer (for he was not too much of a sports fan), and practiced his skateboarding. Currently his aunt still lives in Sacramento. (Havok, Davey. "Blaqk Audio interview." 106.5 KWOD. 2 August 2007

[edit] Era pics?

It seems that AFI has had different 'eras' of style--Davey being a prime example.

  • 1994-1997: [3]

[4] [5]

  • Black Sails and Art of Drowning eras:

[6] [7] [8]

  • Sing the Sorrow era:

[9] [10] [11]

  • Decemberunderground/current:

[12] [13]

I hope you get the general idea. His looks have changed along with the music--you might want to mention something about this. You don't need to use these particular pics, just mention how his looks have changed with his music.

The 94-97 pictures were actually art of drowning era. Dwnsjane2 02:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Glitterboy/Serious Clothing

I do not believe this for one moment. I have never, ever heard anything like this concerning the end of Glitterboy. If someone can substantiate it... uh, fine. Whatever. I highly doubt that this is true, as it contradicts Davey's personal morals (being that he's straight-edge and all) and something like this would've been all over the AFI community in a matter of seconds.

Basically, I want the claim substantiated.

Sinthe 00:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

It obviously BS. Delete. Dwnsjane2 17:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

That total bullsh**! I'm serious. I have never ever read anything like that and believe me, I've read about 24 different stories about it and they're all pretty much the same. You my not-so-friendly friend, are a BIG FAT LIER! Who takes the Pis* out of other people because you're to bored with your own life!

Glitterboy didn't get too far because of 'differences' between Havok and the clothing producer. Now he's working on Paden.

[edit] Vocal Style

There should be some more information describing his vocal style and range. What would you guys consider his range? Handdimensixq 16:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

He's mainly a countertenor who can also sing tenor, baritone and alto. I would say. SkullyD 22:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like original research, to me. Unfortunately (or perhaps not?) Wikipedia has policies against such things. You're free to cite reasonable sources on the matter, however! - Enzo Dragon 08:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

I know it sucks, but we should probably start citing this stuff. I was looking through the history of this page, and it occurred to me that in no point of this article's life have we really had any substancial citations. I know that this article is factual. YOU know this article is factual. Now let's let THEM know. - Enzo Dragon 09:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sexuality continued

The following comments have been taken from "Can't sleep clowns will eat me"'s talk page:

Davey has been related to Ivy whatsername, just look this: http://buzznet-96.vo.llnwd.net/assets/users16/viryta/default/msg-117993201306.jpg
Once again, you've removed information from an article I watch. This time, the information was cited. I did see your reasoning in the history, but there isn't much other way to cite the info. I would like to say, in the source's defense, that the information is coming from official sources (the official message board, the official myspace).
In fact, the policy regarding sources only mentions personal websites [14], but I doubt that it means to say that citing the subject's own website is out of the question.
Of course, this only touches upon the band's 'official' myspace. [15] The other citation, the forum, is an FAQ in the form of a forum post. The forum is AFI's official, hosted on their official fanclub's site [16]. Therefor, I think that it is an appropriate place to cite from, regardless of what format the media is in.
Even if there is a policy that rejects forum-posts and myspaces as citable sources, I believe that these citations are special cases, and that their inclusion into the Davey Havok article is important to the end of improving and maintaining wikipedia, as per WP:IGNORE. - Enzo Dragon 23:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
That is fair enough regarding the FAQ, but it still does not support the leading paragraph. Have there been multiple reports in the news that suggest there has really been such a huge debate over this? Feel free to copy our comments over to Talk:Davey Havok, since this is more of a content-based discussion. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 00:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I could definitely find interviews from big names that would give the impression, if that would be appropriate. I think the quote itself, and the fact that the question "are any of the members gay or bi?" is listed in their list of Frequently Asked Questions, is also proof enough that it's certainly been asked enough times to merit mention.
As for placing these comments on the talk page, I'm going to do it right now. - Enzo Dragon 10:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I suggest we discuss solutions to this citation problem. - Enzo Dragon 10:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

My main concern (at this point) is that we are giving undue weight to the AFI message board FAQ, and are also making claims which go beyond what the FAQ actually states. Rather than rely on what is implied from this single source, it would be best if we could cite additional references which support that there really is a controversy surrounding this issue, such that it warrants a dedicated section within the Wikipedia article. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 11:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC) Daveky Havok is gay and is datin jeffery star
Perhaps it would be more appropriate to adjust the text and assimilate it into the main portion of the article? - Enzo Dragon 14:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't look like http://board.despairfaction.com/showthread.php?t=6973#3 has been sanctioned as a reliable source here. So why did a paragraph using it as a source for his sexuality get added (or re-added) to the article? —Wknight94 (talk) 12:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Then you have not fully read the passages above and understood them. http://board.despairfaction.com/showthread.php?t=6973#3 Was deemed reliable because it is an official source, regardless of it's format. "despairfaction.com" is an official site, run by AFI's member's and those that they appoint. The thread sourced is sanctioned by AFI (including Mr Havok). It is an OFFICIAL FAQ. - Enzo Dragon 00:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I find it rude to place this qhote at the end of his biography "He is homosexual." so if some one feels like removing it, plaese do. It has been stated by Mr. Havok and his band over and over again that Mr. Havok is indeed heterosexual.

I suppose I have to repost this since someone went on a deletion rampage: He's not a homosexual. He was engaged to Monica Parker, who is now married to Matt Skiba of Alkaline Trio. Mike Park of Asian Man Records made a blog post about in it August 2005 on his personal blog when he was talking about the events leading up to when he married Matt and Monica. Not to mention the fact that it's pretty well-known that he was with the model, Ivy Levan last Fall based on those pictures of them that were leaked from his stolen Sidekick. Sion 18:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

BUT DAVEY HAVOK IS NOW ENGAGED TO NEW SIGNED ARTIST OF DEF JAM RECORDING ARTIST BRI.

[edit] Typos That Need to Be Fixed

Under Trivia: "...one on the right has a X on it and the left side has a jack-o-latern, a black rabbit with pink wings on the top of his foot, black hearts behind both ears(ones broken), nautical stars down both his collar bones..." There needs to be an apostrophe in between "one" and "s" to be one's. Either that or make it one is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.4.24.224 (talk) 08:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Not exactly like it's correct to say on his ribs in this either, a human has many ribs. Gumdropster 11:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

At the bottom of the page:

Please unprotect this page so somebody can get rid of this unnecessary, inappropriate and offensive non-fact!

Who the hell did this? Davey doesn't discuss his sexuality, so not only is it not a fact but it's also offensive and inappropriate. The page is protected, I'm new to this so I don't know how to fix it but someone please get it off the page, it's so unnecessary. --159.101.31.2 17:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

PS - Oops, didn't mean to post that comment twice. 159.101.31.2 17:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that the vandalism has already been removed. Thanks for reporting it though. —METS501 (talk) 20:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tattoos

Davey has a presumably new tattoo which says "Ciao" across the knuckles of his right hand, "Baby" across the knuckles of his left. I'll include a picture later if necessary. ~ Cueldo

[edit] middle name

davey's middle name is not anthony or lee. it's paden and he recently said so in an article about his new clothing line. --Deadcandance 23:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)deadcandance

What article? Remember that we're meant to cite specific sources! Mnesimache 00:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I dunno if it's citeable, but you can easily see that his middle name is Paden if you look at the BMI information for any AFI song. Actually, I know it's not citeable, considering I just found out you can't link to a specific page, only the search page. Well. Still. Consider this proof that Anthony is wrong. --Blue Dream (talk) 19:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh and by the way... the NNDB no longer lists his middle name at all, so that won't work as a source for it being Anthony anymore. Whoops! --Blue Dream (talk) 19:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia Section?

It strikes me that the trivia section for this article is a bit messy and unwieldy, especially with half of it being about his tattoos and half not. I was going to suggest that perhaps there ought to be a section about his tattoos and piercings? In that way, the trivia section could be made neater and easier to read. Mnesimache 00:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

And now it's gone. that ain't much better... LollyLo 05:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Singing/vocal range (cont.)

Considering that I know little about voices, vocal range, etc. I'm not getting anywhere on the vocal research. So, would anybody else on here like to figure out his vocal style, type, etc.? It's changed alot, and with him being a singer, there should be something noted about his vocal style.

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.253.122.123 (talk) 12:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

I would say that his vocal style is reminiscent of Glenn Danzig's. He also incorporates throat screaming, though I'm not sure who really started doing this. As far as his range I would label him a Countertenor which is a male Alto.SkullyD 22:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Newest picture wtf is wrong with it???

ZOMG in the picture posted on the front page as of 8-8-07 something looks seriously wrong with Davey Havok's face he looks like hes like 70 years old and I'm looking back through other pictures and he doesn't look close to that bad before. Something is seriously wrong with that picture I think it's photoshopped maybe 64.160.37.10 05:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I believe it is very uncommon that someone would photoshop a picture of a famous person with the intent to make it look worse. It is probably just the common faults in skin caught at an unflattering light angle. It looks like it could be some slight acne acarring (which can often be invisible in regular lighting), and it could also be due to a hefty touring schedule. Many famous musicians' tours take quite a toll on their physical appearance, it's nothing uncommon. --Jacob 16:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Look at his jowling and all the fine lines around his midface. It doesn't match up with any other pictures of him, even the non-professional-photo-shoot "Red Carpet" type pictures, do a google search. 64.160.37.10 18:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] guitar

when has he ever played guitar in the instruments section it says he does is this true?


Haha, I just noticed that. Dave doesn't play guitar, idiots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.122.78 (talk) 07:18, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Please add the following External Link

[edit] Paden/Tokyo Hardcore

Both these sections need to be updated. Paden was released a few months back and the catalog is up at http://www.padenclothing.com/. The Tokyo Hardcore catalog has been released and is available through Tarina Tarantino's website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heatherzilla (talk • contribs) 23:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Veganism?

Anybody knows if Davey has any specific reason to be a vegan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.6.194.101 (talk) 23:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


He's been quoted as saying many times "I became a vegetarian out of compassion for animals and to live as healthy as possible. I realized soon after that I was truly concerned with nonviolent consumption and my own health, a vegan diet was the best decision." <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0369898/bio> Not sure how to reference, nut there's the link. He's also said it in the "Ask AFI" section of the boards a few times, i think. 216.47.197.235 (talk) 05:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Paige