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Contents 1 Discussion 2 POV? 3 Greenwich Village residence 4 Greenwich Village Scene 5 Stonewall 6 Sources, Tone and Organization 7 Fair use rationale for Image:Dave Van Ronk.jpg 8 Jazz not black music??

[edit] Discussion

Q. Where can I find any of Dave Van Ronk's managers? A. Ron Shelley is listed as manager on Dave Van Ronk (Polydor) album. ronshelleyis@yahoo.com

And here's I was waiting for a punchline -- "In the RonksMuseum", or something. -- TimNelson 05:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Could add that he is interviewed and memorable in Martin Scorcese's Dylan dcumentary. Jgrudin (talk) 10:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)Jonathan Grudin

[edit] POV?

The second half of this article seems less scholarly and more like a fan web site... {Anon. entry January 2005)

[edit] Greenwich Village residence

The career section has him "speaking fondly of his impending return to Greenwich Village" suggesting he did not live there at the time (why would he say that if he was just on a trip?), but the personal characteristics section says "he declined to ever move from Greenwich Village". Can someone clear this up? --Blainster 21:35, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Greenwich Village Scene

clearly, he belongs in that category71.214.177.214 00:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stonewall

The Wikipedia Stonewall article mentions that Van Ronk was one of the few identified individuals who was severally beaten by the police during the Stonewall Riots. If that is true, would that not be a biographically significant fact that should be included in this article?

[edit] Sources, Tone and Organization

While this article seems factually correct, I see no sources cited for any of the facts reported. A quick look at the history shows an accretion of unsourced additions over time.

Furthermore, the tone and organization of the article seem to me to be more like a personal reminiscence (admittedly a pleasing one!) than a biographical entry.

Understand that I don't take issue with what is said, but I do think that this could be considerably improved, both by citing sources and in terms of organization and tone. Pair O' Noyas 02:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

A lot of it is extracted from the sources linked at the bottom, and would require a truly grotesque number of footnotes or equivalents. Perhaps someone like yourself more distanced from the topic might take a hand? --Orange Mike 15:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, Mike, I am a noob here, and, in typical noob fashion, said too much too soon!

My introduction to WP editing involved, unfortunately, the topic of <gasp> scientology©®™. As you may know, when it comes to articles involving Scn, mega-editwars commonly take place over the most trivial of issues, and any statement not bolstered with citations galore is sure to bring about a hail of "POV" accusations. (It will be interesting to see whether the above mention attracts the attention of the hyperever-vigilant minions of LRH.)

Again, I don't take issue with anything factual, and since I (long ago) "knew some guys that knew some guys" that knew Van Ronk, it seems like this article is accurate, and, what is more, that he would approve!

BTW, noob that I am, I thought the indents in these discussions were automatic, but I had to put my own colons in (you should pardon the expression!) What am I missing/doing wrong/not doing? --Pair O' Noyas 18:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Nope, nothing is auto-formatted (and the result is some really crappy mis-indentation on some talk pages). --Orange Mike 21:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Dave Van Ronk.jpg

Image:Dave Van Ronk.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] Jazz not black music??

Since when is jazz not "black music"? May be more reasonable to say he gravitated back to black roots music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.180.236 (talk) 16:08, August 24, 2007 (UTC)