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Contents 1 Face/heel 2 Moved from Northern Ireland to Britain? 3 Moved from Northern Ireland to Britain? 4 wrestlers trained by Mikey Whipwreck 5 Citizenship 6 Finisher 7 Wife? 8 Piledriver 9 Finlay in Scottish. 10 Midget name? 11 Third-Generation? 12 Kyptonite Krunch 13 From Dave to David 14 flagicon 15 Billed From 16 vs ric flair 17 Update 18 Nicknames 19 WikiProject class rating 20 Picture 21 Weight 22 face turn 23 road agent 24 World Wrestling Entertainment (2004–present) 25 Profile Picture from WWE Website

[edit] Face/heel

It's not fact that he made a heel turn on the June 10th edition of ECW. Here's what went down: Finlay, Hornswoggle, and Collin Delaney were dancing after the defeat of Armondo. Collin was dancing with Hornswoggle and took his hat. Then, Collin put Hornswoggle's hat on Finlay's head. Finlay put his son's hat back on Hornswoggle's head. As Finlay and Hornswoggle were exiting the ring, Finlay hit Collin with the weapon. Finlay and Hornswoggle continued dancing and celebrating, still recieving positive reactions from fans, but the announcers were clearly adressing the use of the weapon as though Finlay was a heel... we'll have to wait for Friday, I guess. --96.248.174.104 (talk) 21:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from Northern Ireland to Britain?

Northern Ireland is part of Britain. It should say he moved to England.

[edit] Moved from Northern Ireland to Britain?

Northern Ireland is part of Britain. It should say he moved to England. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.161.135 (talk) 02:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] wrestlers trained by Mikey Whipwreck

I noticed a list of wrestler's trained on the entry for Mikey Whipwreck, and it occured to me to check Fit Finlay as well and see if there was a similar list. Given there's not would anybody object to me adding such a list? BronzeWarrior 09:40, 3 November 2005 (UTC) There is also no mention of his often reported role as the trainer for the Diva's during his period with the WWE before he returned to wrestling--217.38.121.254 22:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citizenship

At the current time, "Ireland" is not a country, it is an island. Legally, Finlay holds citizenship in Northern Ireland. As stated on the Northern Ireland page, the official name of the region is "Northern Ireland". Simply putting "Irish" is ambiguous, and could easily cause confusion with the Republic of Ireland, which is a sovereign country in which Finlay has no legal status. McPhail 17:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

ETA: The wikipedia page on "Northern Ireland" suggests that "Northern Ireland" is a neutral term while "North of Ireland" and "Ulster" are, respectively, partisan. McPhail 17:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Finlay has FULL legal status with the Republic of Ireland Pertaining to National identity and citizenship. I myself am from Northern Ireland and carry both Irish Nationality and citizenship. Even though it exsisted fully before the 1998 Agreement, the Good Friday Agreement clearly states that "anyone born in Northern Ireland has the right to identify themselves as either British or Irish", an agreement signed by the Irish Government and British Government and agreed upon by People both sides of the Irish border.

I feel it's discriminatory to refuse Irish People from Northern Ireland their right to be identified as Irish, despite Nationalists and Unionists having full legal rights to identify themselves as Irish. I don't see what's wrong with the following term:

"Dave "Finley" Finley (Born Belfast, Northern Ireland) is an Irish Professional Wrestler currently working for .....". Clearly stating his hailing from the Northern Ireland state, leaving no room for confusion with the Republic of Ireland.

It's "Finlay", but otherwise that would be acceptable. Irish would need to be disambiguated, though. McPhail 18:43, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

That's fair, and thanks for your understanding.

When I came across this article the introduction stated "British/Irish" with the "Irish" linking (inaccurately, unless I'm missing something) to the Republic instead of the island. Following the precedent set by other articles about NI personalities, I've changed it to Northern Irish which seems most specific and neutral. -- IslaySolomon | talk 03:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

As said above, all Northern Irish have automatically dual citizenship. It's the norm for wrestlers to have their nationality in the opening, which is covered with British / Irish.Halbared 23:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no such thing as "Northern Irish". People in the North of Ireland identify themselves as British or Irish. Finlay often flys the Tricolour, including in his WWE entrance on screen - this is symbolic and proves that Finlay is infact an Irish man with nationalist roots, and would like to be seen as such. Infact, many of his gimmicks in the past have been hatred towards British people - (ie: his fueds with regal). Finlay should be confirmed as an Irishman, for that is what he is. Jobjobjob

A citizen of Northern Ireland (referred as such in all legal documentation, including the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement) has the right to Irish and/or British identity. Dave Finlay has referred to himself as Irish many times yet not once do I recall him referring to himself as British. → Posted by Bbx118 12:53, 19 April 2007 (Note: Please sign your posts using ~~~~ Govvy 13:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC))

He is still British never-the-less. Govvy 13:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

That's a POV. No one in Northern Ireland is forced to accept either nationality, they are free to choose Irish, British or both - if they so choose - nationalities.

Rather than us speculating on what passport(s) or citizenship he holds, I've changed the lead sentence to "David Edward "Dave" Finlay... from Belfast, Northern Ireland." which is factual, agrees with the infobox and avoids PoV either way. Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 10:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Its says that finlay started his wrestling career in carrickfegus and then moved over to britain. carrickfergus is part of britain! should be mainland britain or great britain

Er, no. Carrickfergus is part of Ireland (an island) and Northern Ireland (a region of the United Kingdom), whose full title is "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". "Mainland" Britain is the island of Great Britain, excluding the small islands around it like the Shetlands. Calling an island off hte coast of a continent "the mainland" might be seen as a bit presumptuous anyway... Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 19:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Is there any verification that he does identify as Irish rather than British? If so then he should certainly be called an Irish professional wrestler, but if the only source is the way he is marketed by WWE or has been marketed in other wrestling promotions then I would advise caution.Hobson (talk) 00:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I have tagged the statement that Finlay is Irish with a request for a citation. I think there is agreement that a person from Northern Ireland could potentially be British or Irish or both. I think there is also a view here, and on Wikipedia generally, that in the case of a person from Northern Ireland it makes sense to use whichever nationality they themselves use - Irish if they identify as Irish or British if they identify as British. What is missing is any source which confirms Finlay identifies as Irish. The source which is cited simply states that Belfast is in Ireland, which is clearly wrong (or at best, it is referring to the island of Ireland, not the country). If we don't know, we shouldn't decide for him. If a source does exist, it should be cited. This is a biography of a living person and shouldn't really contain anything we're not sure of.Hobson (talk) 22:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I have re-inserted the "fact" tag after it was removed with the edit summary "look in the infobox". I assume this is a reference to the two sources cited in the infobox which both state he is from "Belfast, Ireland". However, neither of these sources state that he is Irish. If he is from Belfast then he is from the island of Ireland and from the country called the United Kingdom, but it doesn't tell us what his nationality is. I'm not disputing that he might very well be Irish and if he holds Irish nationality, or has stated that he considers himself Irish, then we should say so. However, if nobody has a source for this then it would be better to stick with what we actually know - that he is from Belfast - particularly as this is a biography of a living person.Hobson (talk) 18:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I have reworded the article, and hopefully people will leave it alone. If there are going to be disputes, then it is better to just say he is from Belfast as I have done rather than put in a nationality and have edit wars occur over it. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 18:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Finisher

I just saw Dave's match against Shoichi Funaki, and the move doesn't look like an Emerald Frosion to me. It looks more like an Air Raid Crash, so I'll change it as such. Poofyspikes 05:27, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

While I agree that the move is an Air Raid Crash, unfortunately wwe.com calls it an Emerald Fusion. Maybe the misnomer should be noted. KazMoronic 07:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wife?

The article says: "then wife Princess Paula"

When were they divorced? They were still together as of 2004, as they can be spotted together at that year's WWE Hall of Fame banquet. --David Bixenspan 01:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I added an article about his family.(MgTurtle 16:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)).

[edit] Piledriver

Stop putting the Tombstone Piledriver on his moves list. Piledrivers are banned in the WWE. Only Kane and Undertaker can do the tombstone.

The Tombstone Piledriver was Finlay's finisher for most of his career. Stop removing it. McPhail 15:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

So then by your logic; should we also remove shooting star presses and 450 splashes from the profiles of wrestlers such as Paul London, Shelton, etc.? Banned or not; they deserve to be noted because they are finishers used throughout their careers as McPhail stated.

[edit] Finlay in Scottish.

I just wanted to tell you that Finlay means "the fair warrior" in scottish.

[edit] Midget name?

Does anyone know who the midget is that Finlay pulls out of the ring? --The midget is Dean somebody. He's used the name Shortstack and is listed as The Little Bastard on WWE.com

The leprechaun that hides under the ring is Dylan Postl

[edit] Third-Generation?

I noticed that at the Dallas Saturday Night Main Event (July 2006) and preceeding Smackdown, JBL noted that Finlay is third-generation. Any verification on this?

[edit] Kyptonite Krunch

This move is called the Kryptonite Krunch, not the Air Raid Crash. Just Read This.

Another method used when performing this over the shoulder piledriver sees the attacking wrestler lift the opponent over one shoulder but bring him/her across the wrestler's back and place the opponent's head under the other arm. This version is best known as Mariko Yoshida's Air Raid Crash, a name which is often WRONGLY used when referring to the Kryptonite Krunch.

--Mikedk9109 21:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes because people call an over the shoulder back to belly piledriver an Air Raid Crash mistakenly which I agree with, you are missing the point of the statement in that it is not stating that an over the shoulder across the back belly to back piledriver is a Kryptonite Krunch, but the name Air Raid Crash is used incorrectly referring to an actual Kryptonite Krunch. Kryptonite Krunches go from the shoulder to the arm directly below them. Air Raid Crashes go from one shoulder across the back to the opposite arm. It's a simple difference. Finlay doesn't go from his shoulder to the arm below it as in a Kryptonite Krunch, Schwein, Reality Check or any other name. It goes across the back to the opposite arm as in an Air Raid Crash and that is the name used for that variation. --- Lid 21:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, ok well now that has been explained to me better I understand it now. I agree with you and it should be called the Air Raid Crash. Sorry for any inconvienence I cuased anyone.

--Mikedk9109 21:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From Dave to David

According to the Internet Movie Database website. His name is "David" not "Dave". I am moving the article from "Dave" to "David". Because of his name from IMDb. The http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/deanletter and http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/trishrealstory links are not found. All users NOT to revert or move page from "David" and back to "Dave". Thanks. Steam5 09:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] flagicon

Why is there an Irish flagicon next to Finlay's name in the infobox? As I recall, Finlay is from Belfast, Northern Ireland, and Northern Ireland, to my knowledge has no flag. So...should we remove the flag icon, or am I simply missing something? 71.190.13.186 04:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

We have already covered this in the Citizenship chat above, Govvy 11:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Billed From

Should Finlay be listed as billed from "Belfast, Ireland" rather than "Belfast, Northern Ireland." I don't think that's part of the citizenship debate, but rather a straightforward matter of what the ring announcer actually says. I think he's regularly addressed as being from "Belfast, Ireland." --JamesAM 02:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

He's billed from Belfast, Northern Ireland at the moment. Tony2Times (talk) 17:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] vs ric flair

smackdown wasnt the first time finlay fought ric flair! they fought at the royal rumble (finlay was the #1 entrant and ric flair was the #2 entrant) 69.207.179.119 13:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

that dosn't count beacuse it wasn't a win by pinfall or submission match. But tehenncy your right beacue it was a match. mike

[edit] Update

Last night a lot happened and a rivalrie will begin between Finlay and Kane so you can put something in about that because not only did Kane attack Finaly but Finlay came back and did more damage and you know that Kane's character will want revenge. BIGCANDICEFAN 19:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

We also "knew" that Kane would face Edge for the World Title but that didn't happen. We don't speculate, we just report things that have happened. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. - Deep Shadow 20:10, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Do not get all smart with me and Edge's injury had nothing to do with this this is a whole different rivalry. BIGCANDICEFAN 19:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nicknames

I've never heard of his nicknames The Man Who Loves To Fight or The Celtic Bruiser so until you can tell me where he used these i'm deleting them. BIGCANDICEFAN 20:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

The WWE and pro-wrestling sites use them widely. Does common |knowledge really need a plethora of references? Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 20:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

No it is used on the web not in WWE. Wikipedia is not a website where you see things on the web and you come here and add it. So I will delete them until someone comes up with one good reason to keep it. And also can A wikipedia member with the authority protect this page. BIGCANDICEFAN 22:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter where its used - once its used. This is an article about Dave Finlay - and Dave Finlay is known by those nicknames in the wrestling world. Page protection is only generally only given for pages subject to repeated vandal attacks and edit wars. Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 23:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard of these nicknames and I am a big wrestling fan and I for one know that he has none of these nicknames if you give me proof then I will belive you but until then no those nicknames are not going back on there. BIGCANDICEFAN 01:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The names are on WWE.com. They shouldn't be deleted just because you have never heard them. - Deep Shadow 04:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Click on the links above. There's your proof. Regards, Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 11:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

No those links are as useless as those nicknames and those nicknames are not on WWE.COM I practicly live there so no it's not on there. BIGCANDICEFAN 23:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

As Batsun said, it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE. They have been (or used to) use those names on a weekly basis on Smackdown. Cole and JBL I mean. You're misinterpreting Wikipedia's rules to a certain degree. Gavyn Sykes 23:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Sigh. My first link above is for 'The Man Who Loves to Fight' search on google. The first link on the results page after WP is this. Click on it. Then hit 'Ctrl + F' Then search for 'man who'. Yup, there it is. On WWE. Same for the second link above. QED. Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 23:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Just because ring announcers call Finlay that name doesn't mean it's an offical nickname. BIGCANDICEFAN 00:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Its used by ring announcers. Its used by WWE.com. Its used by multiple other wrestling sites. What do you want, a birth cert listing his nicknames? References have been supplied; you have been given a final warning for reverting the Three-revert rule (your very own three count!) - even though you've now blanked it from your talk page. You are the only person disputing the consensus. Please stop wasting your and our time. Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 22:39, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Yall make me so ANGRY i don't care block me in fact read my page it'll tell you all there. And I don't care a botu the three revert rule and no RING announcer calls Finlay ANY of those nicknames. And also yea i would like a birth certificate. and you can't block me because I ahve my own opinion and I don't suck up and agree with yall. BIGCANDICEFAN 23:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Theodore Long JUST called him the "Man who loves to fight." 72.213.183.178 (talk) 02:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 05:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Could we maybe have a blurrier photo of him? I guess it's better than nothing. It looks horrible. Nosleep1234 03:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

You're right someone definitely needs to change it!!!! Lee 00:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.206.137.123 (talk)

[edit] Weight

Could someone change his weight to 233 lbs as this is what he is announced as on Smackdown! Thankyou!. Lee 00:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It needs a source. Gavyn Sykes 02:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] face turn

has finlay turned face? he's shown signs of a face turn J.C. (talk) 03:12, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

                                                      yes

[edit] road agent

Add this for source.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0277969/bio

IMDb is not a reputable source. Sorry! NiciVampireHeart (talk) 21:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Nothing is not a reliable source. Sorry! In other words, erase it (him being a road agent.) You can't have a huge statement like he was a booker with no source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.203.173 (talk) 13:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

erase.

142.162.195.131 (talk) 21:46, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

fine. have a fucking big ass statemnt like he books his own fucking job with no source.

142.162.205.213 (talk) 19:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

There's no need to be rude. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 22:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

You didnt reply, so two days later I basically summed up the previous edit by saying "erase." then you still no-show so reply again and it gets reverted, then once again and you finally reply, ignoring the whole point. Fuck civility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.205.213 (talk) 03:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I was away for a while, so I was actually unable to reply as I had no access to a computer. Maybe think about that before accusing me of ignoring you. I am sure there is a source somewhere saying that he is a booker, but IMDb is widely accepted to be an unreliable source. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 15:37, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I was away for a while, so I was actually unable to reply as I had no access to a computer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/NiciVampireHeart

ownt

I am sure there is a source somewhere saying that he is a booker,

I'd love to see you find it.

142.162.198.217 (talk) 18:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I was away from the 24-26, 2 days, which in my book counts as a while. Also, I didn't add this page to my watchlist until the 26th, and forgot about the first reply I posted to you, as it didn't seem all that critical to me. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 19:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I don'pt know if a source exists or not, but let me clarify something. A road agent is not a booker. A road agent is responsible for coordinating a match, deciding on what spots are necessary in each match for their division, that sort of thing. Another person decides the end result of the match, the road agent decides how the match is acted out. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 19:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Found you a source. [1] - check under the "World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment" heading, you'll see this:, and I quote, "Fit Finlay signed with the WWF as a Road Agent after WCW was purchased." I already added it to the article. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 19:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok. source could also be used for the part where it says citation needed by his dob

142.162.198.217 (talk) 20:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I added it. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 22:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] World Wrestling Entertainment (2004–present)

Under this title it mentions him wrestling in scotland before his return. Before his return to the ring in 2005, Finlay also appeared in and fought in a Smackdown! tour in the odyssey area, belfast. At this time JBL was the current reigning champion and remarked that no Irish man alive could defeat him until finlay appeared and did just that.

[edit] Profile Picture from WWE Website

The current page profile picture of Dave Finlay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Finlay_with_flag.jpg has been taken from the WWE website and claimed as copyrighted property of the uploader, Stampede1961. If you want to see for yourself, it's the 9th picture on this page: http://www.wwe.com/worldwide/ireland/irelandphotos/

I suggest the picture be removed and deleted due to copyright infringement, and the profile picture reverted to my photo of Dave Finlay here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Finlay_wiki.jpg .

KakkoiiTGN (talk) 21:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, we wouldn't want the fair use attourneys on our ass. As if they do actually exist and anyone would actually do something about violations of the fair use policy. --Kaizer13 (talk) 21:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)