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[edit] Possible deletion

Possible deletion of this image on WP:RS grounds is discussed here. MeteorMaker (talk) 07:47, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

  • no grounds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.116.232 (talk) 00:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I am against this deletion. Regardless of the source, this map is similar to other maps on the subject, and the author authorized its use in Wikipedia. Emmanuelm (talk) 13:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  • The actual discussion is over here. Re Emmanuelm's argument, there is not one map in your Google search that remotely corroborates this one. (Admittedly, I only checked the first 500 links). MeteorMaker (talk) 03:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Not true. The maps are very similar. There's ambigiuty about the actual place surrounding the Euphrates from the west and northern west. The map says "estimate", that's enough for WP:RS for pictures in wikipedia. Amoruso (talk) 00:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
They are not similar at all, unless you count the multiple instances of this map as several different ones. For instance, no other map claims that David's kingdom encompassed a good part of southern Turkey, along with the Mediterranean coast. MeteorMaker (talk) 12:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
That small part (it's not "for instance", it's the only slight difference you could find and it's frivolous and not supported by anything but your WP:OR) doesn't change the fact they're very similar. Amoruso (talk) 04:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Just saying they are very similar doesn't make it so. The size of the kingdom on your map in fact differs by roughly 100% from the other maps you linked to. These are the relevant ones on the first two pages of your Google search, please show me one that claims the kingdom encompassed anything at all of the coastline north of Hamath (which is what the only available source, the Bible, gives as the northern boundary), let alone large parts of Turkey.
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] MeteorMaker (talk) 05:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
All very similar, thanks for the links. The map lists the area some prefer to list as Vassal/kingdoms under control/affiliated, in the same color. That's perfectly all right. This map you posted [8] including the allied kingdom is in fact exact 1:1. Amoruso (talk) 06:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
If by "similar" you mean "showing an area at most half the size of what your map claims", yes, but I doubt you can convince anybody with the brains to click a link. You seem to have redefined "kingdom" to include allies as well, which is tantamount to claiming Israel is part of the United States (or vice versa). Please give up now and understand that your claims have been thoroughly refuted. MeteorMaker (talk) 06:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


Map modified on May 12 2008 by MeteorMaker, with Amoruso's permission. Now considerably less controversial. The request for deletion has been removed. MeteorMaker (talk) 22:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)