User talk:Darz kkg

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[edit] Joining Myanmar Wikiproject

Greetings! Would you like to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Myanmar (Burma)? If so, please add your name to Wikipedia:WikiProject Myanmar (Burma)/Members. Thanks. --Hintha 02:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Comrade. I had accepted your invitation and joined Myanmar Wikiproject. Darz kkg 16:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TQ

I'm not sure what you are referring too. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 02:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah. No problem. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 02:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: revert of vandalism to Burmese Indians

You are quite welcome. If you are interested in helping to fight vandalism yourself, check out WP:VANDAL for some ideas, and also the Recent Changes Patrol is always looking for help. Oh, and BTW, you left your comment on my user page. In the future, you want to be sure to leave the comment on a user's talk page by clicking on the discussion tab. If you ever need anymore more help at all, just leave a note on my talk page. Happy editing! --Jayron32|talk|contribs 04:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you please kindly provide verifiable facts regarding the information in the said article? I have remove information that are not in accordance with Wikipedia policy. This is not a vandalism.

Please do not add unverifiable information to Wikipedia, as you did to Islam in Myanmar. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.

Please do not add unverifiable information to Wikipedia, as you did to Burmese Indians. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Okkar 16:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

OKKAR if you are ignorant or blinded with racism and try to vandalize without searching for the truth is your problem. I had seen your uncalled for behaviour with the quarrel with other Wiki editors. If you are the true Okkar writting notoriously in Burmese mainstream media, you could be even guilty with the crimes of Genocide at ICC.Darz kkg 01:06, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.
Please do not create hoaxes, such as you did in the article Burmese Indians. Please do not attempt to put misinformation into Wikipedia to test our ability to detect and remove it. This has been done before, with varying results. Most hoaxes are marked for deletion within a few hours after they are created. Some Wikipedians suspect that the majority of hoaxes here are attempts to test the system. Kindly — do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. If you are interested in how accurate Wikipedia is, a more constructive test method is to try to find inaccurate statements that are already in Wikipedia, and then to check to see how long they have been in place and, if possible, correct them. Thank you.
Please do not create hoaxes, such as you did in the article Islam in Myanmar. Please do not attempt to put misinformation into Wikipedia to test our ability to detect and remove it. This has been done before, with varying results. Most hoaxes are marked for deletion within a few hours after they are created. Some Wikipedians suspect that the majority of hoaxes here are attempts to test the system. Kindly — do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. If you are interested in how accurate Wikipedia is, a more constructive test method is to try to find inaccurate statements that are already in Wikipedia, and then to check to see how long they have been in place and, if possible, correct them. Thank you.
Please do not create hoaxes, such as you did in the article Myanmar Muslims. Please do not attempt to put misinformation into Wikipedia to test our ability to detect and remove it. This has been done before, with varying results. Most hoaxes are marked for deletion within a few hours after they are created. Some Wikipedians suspect that the majority of hoaxes here are attempts to test the system. Kindly — do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. If you are interested in how accurate Wikipedia is, a more constructive test method is to try to find inaccurate statements that are already in Wikipedia, and then to check to see how long they have been in place and, if possible, correct them. Thank you.
Please do not make racist comments towards other users, as you did at Burmese Indians. Wikipedia has a strict 'no personal attacks' policy. Users who continue to be racist towards other users will be blocked.
Your comments and statements regarding me can be considered as personal attacks. Please adhere to Wikipedia policy, be civil and polite or I will have to report you for personal attacks and vandalism. As for the articles, please do not include "unverifiable facts". Please remember all Encyclopedic content must be verifiable. If you would like to dispute, please provide "verifiable facts" links. Okkar 01:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide [[1]] Approved and proposed for signature and ratification or accession by General Assembly resolution 260 A (III) of 9 December 1948 entry into force 12 January 1951, in accordance with article XIII Article 1 The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish. Article 3 The following acts shall be punishable: (a) Genocide; (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide; (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide; (d ) Attempt to commit genocide; (e) Complicity in genocide. Article 4 Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals. Article 9 Disputes between the Contracting Parties relating to the interpretation, application or fulfilment of the present Convention, including those relating to the responsibility of a State for genocide or for any of the other acts enumerated in article III, shall be submitted to the International Court of Justice at the request of any of the parties to the dispute. Eight Stages of Genocide [[2]] Stage 2. Symbolization. Characteristics = "When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups..." NLD, Opposition, Rebels, Ethnic Minorities as Non Barmans, Muslims, Christians, Chinese, even Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and Kha Maut is symbolized for hatred and annihilation. Stage 4. Organization Characteristics = Organization "Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, though sometimes informally. Special army units or militias are often trained and armed..." or by terrorist groups. Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. Plans are made for genocidal killings. Stage 5. Polarization "Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda..." SPDC’s bill boards around the country, SPDC various media, pamphlets speeches are full with this hate propaganda. Extremists drive the groups apart. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center Stage 6. Identification "Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity..." This is very obvious with the SPDC, even no need to elaborate further. Death lists are drawn up. Members of victim groups are forced to wear identifying symbols. They are often segregated into ghettoes, forced into concentration camps, or confined to a famine-struck region and starved. "At this stage, a Genocide Alert must be called... “Journalists like Okkar, who supported the Myanmar Military leaders with their writtings joining the propaganda warfare to discriminate, to do ethnic cleansing are also guilty and punishable at ICC. Be careful Okkar. Darz kkg 02:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of talk page content

Your recent edits removed content from your talk page. Please note, such removal is frowned upon by the community and could be considered vandalism.

  • If you disagree with someone, feel free to reply to their comment(s) on your talk page, there is no real neccessity to erase comments.
  • Removal of administrative notices would also classify as vandalism, please do not repeat that.

Regards, xC | ☎ 12:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Okkar had removed my tags about his vandilism FIRST. Please kindly educate him.Darz kkg 12:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I have not removed anything from my talk page - please feel free to investigate. Okkar 13:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion and Personal attacks

This is your last warning. The next time you delete or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing.

This is your last warning. If you continue to make personal attacks, you will be blocked for disruption. Ian Cairns 12:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] This is also my last waning OKKAR. Don't insult me again while waiting for the mediation.

Please provide the proof of where I did insult you? Okkar 13:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Apology and request

Explanation to Wiki editors about my outburst with Okkar

Yesterday I was so angry and I decided to cool down, stop writing and reading the Wiki according to Wiki’s advice. I will read the others’ new postings only after posting my point of view with this letter.

I have to admit that I could not prove beyond the reasonable doubt that Wiki Okkar is the same person with the Myanmar Military Intelligence planted notorious writer, Maung Okkar, who is actively doing the dirty propaganda warfare in various Myanmar Media.

If I am wrong, please kindly accept my sincerely wish to apologize Wiki Okkar and Wiki editors.

First, the facts I wrote in my three articles about Muslims in Myanmar, Islam in Myanmar, Burmese Indians and Panthays are not taken out from thin air or just my creations. You could see that I had put in a lot of references. Some references may be weak in some of your eyes but as I had failed to record up to the page level but I am not bluffing. Later I searched back and had corrected the references up to the pages, paragraphs and lines. But with the latest development, I should not waste my time anymore as there is a danger of erasing all of them.

Okkar had blanked earlier two paragraphs. As I could not prove with references, I just totally keep quiet.

1.Maha Bandoola was written with the hearsay evidence. Therefore, I was wrong. 2.Actually Padeik Kara was not wrong at all as I had copied most of the acts from the Glass Palace Chronicle. I just mentioned there that he was an Indian which is known by most of the Burmese population. Okkar blanked that and remarked, as that was the folktale only. Although I could argue, I avoid any protest to get peace of mind.

Even one of the Wiki editors, a pastor came in and erased the “Holy” word in front of the Koran. Holy word is not reserved for Christians only but other religions have the right to use but I just ignored to avoid a conflict.

Regarding U Thant’s Mixed Indian blooded status.

I had read that article in the Myanmar Government’s Working People Newspaper. As I was not interested in that at that time, I failed to note down the exact date. Never mind that may be the lie and propaganda warfare of the Myanmar Military Government to disgrace U Thant. U Thant’s descendents may be upset with my repeat mentioning of this. You all could erase that paragraph. Okkar acused me as a lie. I may be wrong because of the lies in the Military Government’s Newspaper to tarnish U Thant’s name but I am not bluffing.

The worse mistake of Okkar was blanking the whole paragraph in the Notable Muslims in history. I found back that book that I referred and is in front of me. The book is in Burmese.

The name of the book is, “Twentieth Anniversary Special Edition of Islam Damma Beikman.” On the page, 90 to page 131 there are three topics _

1.Myanmar Pyi and Islamic religion.
2.Islamic religion and Bama Literature.
3.Myanmar’s Culture from Islamic History.

These are the reprint of the records of the lectures given by Pathi U Ko Lay in 1973. Some of my facts are taken from that book’s page 90-112.

The page Okkar erased as lies is from page 109,110 and 111.

After Okkar accused me of lies and erase that paragraph, I reverted as vandalism and put vandalism tags in his user talk page. He erased all the tags from his user page. And counter put many tags insulting and accusing of unverifiable facts.

Anyway, I hereby wish to apologize all the Wiki editors including Okkar (if he really has no hidden agenda to sabotage the Islam related articles) for

1.my outburst and anger
2.personal attacks on Okkar
3.removing the unwanted tags and posting in my talk page and articles

I hereby wish to request the followings from the Wiki editors_

1.To edit my three articles for the spelling, grammar, style etc
2.As these are quite long, to make the gist without simply erase the facts
3.Especially to change the style so that these are written with the neutral view according to he Wiki standards, as I had written from our Muslim point of view as the victims of atrocities committed by the successive Military leaders.

Although I signed up as the members of the WikiMyamar and WikiIslam, I decided to stay away from Wiki for at least three months. I trust that there are enough just and fair-minded Wiki editors to protect my articles from vandalism.

Last request is to remove the tags accusing of unverifiable contents. This is not correct and a great insult to me and my articles. May be we need mediators. With regards --Darz kkg 04:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Your apology seems sincere Darz kkg, and I'm sure the community approves of you doing your best to calm down. I assure you, anything you say which is backed up with references will be looked at and discussed. As long as all editors are civil, there is no need for any fighting.
I'll have a look at the formatting, spelling, etc as soon as I can.
In the meanwhile, if you indeed are going to be offline for sometime, I'll do my best to represent your concerns. However, its difficult for me to promise anything, I'm just a random editor trying to do a good deed, I have no scholarly claims on the history of Myanmar.
I trust you provided references on the talk pages where the discussions took place? Then I'm sure we could find the sources for said content. However if we fail to find refs, then it would have o be removed as per policy. Again, as an individual, I can offer no promises, but I'm sure with the help of WikiMyanmar and WikiIslam we would be able to work out the neutral point of view.
Hoping you continue contributing in the spirit of WP,
Regards, xC | ☎ 05:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I have said it before and will say it again - it is not racist to question the accuracy of a particular article, especially it has been written in a form of aggressively promoting particular POV - in this case, excessive Islamisation of Burmese history. In other word, you have written the article to support particular POV. This is entirely against Wikipedia Policy. Also, as other editors have pointed out to you in talke pages of Talk:Burmese Indians and Talk:Islam in Myanmar that you have misinterpreted the facts from Glass Palace Chronocle, which you based many of the assumptions in the article. You also cited your own, self written article from another website as reference to support your claims regarding "supposed" promises of General Aung San. This again is misrepresenting in order to support particular claims. A lot of the references you provided in the article are either unverifiable, lack supportive information such as ISBN number 'etc., or simply too broad (for example: citing Working People's Daily as reference but no specific dates were given - as such it cannot be verified).
As for the notable muslims, many of whom you listed there are not notable or encyclopedic enough according to Wikipedia guidelines on "notable persons", hence I have removed them, however I have left the prominent ones who are relevant to the article. You must remember that Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, not a political propaganda platform. You cannot and should not use Wikipedia to lobby, propaganda or raise awareness for particular cause. Therefore it is wrong of you to use Wikipedia article to express your POV and your version of events - in this case, as you have admitted above - against the attrocities committed by successive military leaders. While this maybe of relevant for many other propaganda and campaign websites, such as those you have quoted in external link section of the article, as far as Wikipedia concern - it is inappropiate as Wikipedia is a neutral body and you can/should only present facts that are verifiable. If in doubt, please read and digest Verifiability and "What Wikipedia is NOT". I am sure Amnesty International or other human rights website may welcome your version of the article, but as for Wikipedia, it is entirely against it's unbias and neutral policy.
Last but not least, it is not an insult to anyone to remove informations, paragraphs, sentences from an article with "unverifiable content" tags "if" the references provided there are not verifiable - for example: Press release from Foreign Office of Bangladesh you quoted appear to be of non-existance. I do hope that you understand what wikipedia really stand for and that you would contribute to wikipedia in future according to it's policies. Also please do not make up lies about me that I have erased contents from my talk page. I have not done so. However, you on the other hand left messages in various different places in my talk page. I welcome anyone to read my talk page history and find out whether or not i have deleted anything from my talk pages at all. Please remember everything that is written in Wikipedia is recorded and can be brought back by history. Anyone who is reading the historical log of your talk page will see that I have neither insulted you or attacked you in anyway. I simply pointed out to you that you should not accuse me of "racist" for questioning the factual accuracy of your articles. Okkar 19:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Myanmar Indian Muslims

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[edit] Personal and Racially motivated attacks

Please stop your racial attack and unfounded accusations, if you carried on, you will be block again. Okkar 17:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Block

I have blocked you for a week due to your disruption of project pages, particularly WP:AIV and WP:LTA directed at a single user. None of the pages you wrote on was the proper forum for your issue, and you posted the same message across several pages. Please do not repeat your actions in the future.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:49, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kindly allow me to remove the admin tags from my articles

Actually, I am not bragging, I had gathered facts from about 150 books for the Muslims in Burma/Myanmar articles in about twenty years. However, as I failed to record properly the source of each information, my first posting in the Wiki was labeled or tagged to be deleted quickly. In addition, it was accused as easy entry or cut and paste article.

Although Wiki editors and administrators are 100% right in their decision but they should made a new ruling to go slow and give some time to the new comers like me. In addition, most of the Wiki editors are busy and made quick but sometimes wrong decisions. Just look at the two blocks on me. Instead of trying to mediate, negotiate, or actually trying to understand the fuss, just made a quick decision in haste. Nevertheless, I must admit that I also have to take the blame as I could not calmly watch my articles butchered and had made a rude fight.

As I could not keep all the reference books with me all the time or have leisure to review all of them immediately, I just go through my article and put the references, on estimation only. At least it works to prevent them from deletion by overenthusiastic editors. I am not telling that they are wrong. They are just doing their jobs according to the Wiki rules and regulations. I was to take the blame for that blunder but I had committed in good faith. And Wiki administrators should review those strict rules of deleting the articles. Just give us some more time.

Please read the following two stubs_

  1. Myanmar ( Burmese ) Democracy and Human Rights online media.
  2. Talk:Myanmar ( Burmese ) Democracy and Human Rights online media

Now, I got hold of some books back (some of my books were left behind in Burma, some borrowed by friends, some from the various university libraries) and I had successfully put in the citations.

It is a blessing in disguise that my articles look original but supported by references. It do not looked as if easy entry, copied from others. For example, as I had stated, my “Anti-Indian Riots” earlier paragraphs' basic facts are taken from Maurice Collis' "Trials in Burma". I lost the book, maybe someone borrowed and never give back) so I could not give the references up to the page level. But I managed to put the citations from "The Muslims of Burma” A study of a minority Group, by Moshe Yegar. At least I could prove that the facts are not my POV only nor my imiginatory fictions only but other third party, a respectable Israel Diplomet, PhD holder’s MSc thesis book. Actually all the citations and references in all my articles are just searched and given.

So, as my three articles below

  1. Islam in Myanmar
  2. Burmese Indians and
  3. Panthay

are supported or cited with appropriate references from

  1. Moshe Yegar’s "The Muslims of Burma”
  2. The Glass Palace Chronicle of the Kings of Burma, translated by Pe Maung Tin and G.H.Luce, Burma Research Society,
  3. History Professor U Maung Maung Lay’s The Emergence Of The Panthay Community At Mandalay, published in the “Essays given to Than Tun on his 75th birthday” in the book, “Studies in Myanmar History” volume 1,.
  4. “Twentieth Anniversary Special Edition of Islam Damma Beikman.” Myanmar Pyi and Islamic religion.The reprint of the records of the lectures given by Pathi U Ko Lay in 1973.
  5. Facts about Anti-Indian Riots are published in_

a.Human Rights Watch
b.Country Reports on Human Rights Practices , Released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor, by US States Department
c.Amnesty International
d.Office of UN High Commissioner for Human Rights
e.US Department of State, International Religious Freedom Report
f.UK Conservatives’ Human Rights
g.The Persecution of Muslims in Burma by Karen Human Rights Group
h.Butkaew, Samart. "Burmese Indians: The Forgotten Lives", Burma Issues.

The facts I wrote are not my POV only but the POV of multiple above sources. Other Wiki editors could help edit to tone down the style and to look more neutral. But as the successive Myanmar Military rulers had brain washed the Burmese citizens that all Muslims are mixed blooded and recent migrants not worth issuing the citizenship of Myanmar, at least my articles could prove that although there may be some illegal immigrants, most of us are staying for few generations in Myanmar as citizens.

I searched these facts to publish a book on Muslims in Burma/Myanmar. Now I had contributed free of charge to Wiki all of my research for twenty years. Anyway thank you Wiki, Wiki Administrators, Wiki Editors for all the edits, guidance, help preventing vandalism etc. I hereby wish to mention my special thanks to_

  1. Hintha
  2. Kyaw2003
  3. User:Cgilbert76
  4. Chris
  5. Bojokemujee
  6. and all the other editors who had edited my articles.
  7. I hereby request Okkar to come back to Wiki and continue to contribute in Wiki . Although we have difference in opinions, I appreciate his ability and skills.

I wish to assure Kyaw2003 and others that I never meant to insult my fellow Buddhist brothers nor I wish to incite the racial hatred or revenge by writing these articles. But we all need to know _

  1. the origin, roots or ancestors of Burmese Muslims.
  2. the root causes of racial riots.

to avoid the further conflicts.

Actually any one with vested interest could start racial riots; Government, part of the Government who wish to discredit the top leaders and wish to perform a coup (like Myanmar Military Intelligent wing under General Khin Nyunt) or even the opposition.

I am not an Islamic radical. Just look at my Darz kkg. I had contributed a lot of useful non Islamic articles for our country.

But if you care to read the following articles, you could understand what the Muslims in Burma want.

  1. United We Stand, Divided We Lose [3]
  2. We are all Burmese in our heart [4]
  3. We also Love Burma, part 1 (Burmese)[5]
  4. We also Love Burma, part 2 (Burmese) [6]
  5. Complaining of unfair attitude On Religious Minorities including Muslims [7]
  6. Opening Heart on Equal Rights for All Ethnic Groups [8]

So please may you kindly allow me to remove the folloing tags from my articles_
You all are free to edit as you like on those articles.

Thank you all.--Darz kkg 10:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Ko Kyaw2003, I hope you have heard the following fable, as told by W. Chafe. There was once a Wolf, who saw a Lamb drinking at a river and wanted an excuse to eat it. For that purpose, even though he himself was upstream, he accused the Lamb of stirring up the water and keeping him from drinking... To understand this, one must realize that the Wolf is lying! To understand the key conjunctive "even though" one must realize that contamination never flows upstream. I hope you would not be foolish enough to stress to put the alleged plight of minority whites in Apartheid article in Wiki. And I hope you would not even think about the unjustifiable lame excuses of alleged Muslim grieviences leading to September 11, 2001 attacksarticles. Nor any one would accept to put in the excuses given by Nazi’s for committing the Holocaust article in Wikipedia. Neutral POV in those three cases must be applied in my articles. Why are you stubbornly hold that it is my POV only when I had cited many notable authorities in this field supporting my POV which is correct. This is the POV of a notable Israel Diplomat Dr Moshe Yega, Glass Palace Chronicle and many International Groups including UN and US.

Yes Ko Kyaw, some lamb may fight back. Some coloured Africans may have done some revenge on whites and some Jews may have done injustices on Aryan Nazi Germans.

In addition, yes Ko Kyaw, I had seen the photos of the predators; wolves, dogs, tigers giving breast feedings to the lambs etc. Moreover, not all Germans are bad and many of them had helped a lot of Jews. The same thing is true for whites. There are far more better whites than a small minority whites exploiting during the Apartheid period. And I even had wrote in my article about the good Buddhist monks (you may be surprized, even if any drunkard make a noisy scene infront of my clinic, few Buddhist monks used to pull them and protect me although they were not aiming to me but fight among themselves. Just read my article Myanmar Muslim activists in Wiki_ Especially Dr Kyaw Nyein had a very good relation with the very powerful and famous Mandalay Young Buddhist Monks and to some extent successful in countering the agent provocateurs from inciting the anti Muslim sentiments. Because of his request, real monks influential in Mandalay searched and confiscated and destroyed nearly hundred thousand anti-Muslim pamphlets allegedly distributed the Myanmar Military secret agents. Although reported to the authorities, no one was arrested for that crime in a country where many people were arrested, tortured and jailed for printing or photocopying or distributing any anti-government papers or even for distribution of Human right Declaration from UN office. And Ko Kyaw, FYI, I was there together with Dr Kyaw Nyein. When we were surprised and did not know what to do with that truck load of pamphlets during the riots, Sayadaw from Mya Taung Tike even advised us just to destroy them by burning in the monastry field and ordered the young Koyins to help carry and pile up those pamphlets to burn. We brought our Muslim religious leaders including Mandalay division Maulvi to apologize and request the Buddhist Sayadaws. Real monks are much better than hat most of us could imagine. My POV is just accept us as real brothers and sisters to rebuild our beloved country, Burma/Myanmar. Please stop the attack on us in Myanmar and Wiki. Your POV is crystal clear, Ko Kyaw. Although my POV is supported by multiple independent reputable sourses. You are the one who is blinded by bias and Racial Supremist policy. You are the one who started all the fuss. See how you read and interpreted the Pe Maung Tin and G.H.Luce, The Glass Palace Chronicle of the Kings of Burma". You wrote, The name "Nga Yaman Kan" usually means one eyed man in Burmese. You blatantly mis-spelled Nga Ramankan to Nga Yaman Kan. It was a big lie amounting to a crime Ko Kyaw. (Yes it is a varient and many people including me, you could see this in my King Sawlu article, to avoid the racists’ unnecessary attacks.) But do you understand that by purposely miss-spelling Nga Raman Kan’s name from that book as Nga Yaman Kan to trick Wiki editors and trying to subortage the Islam articles could also lead you to the Hague. As we have to learn Forensic Medicine and as we need to give expert evidences in the police cases such as assaults and murders, when we look at the wounds we could most of the time know whether they were the results of self-defense as every body has the right to the self-defense. However, if the victim was just holding a stick, if you use the knife or gun, it is not easy to claim a self-defense. After all, if you pump the whole magazine of bullets into the victim’s chest and head and especially after the victim fell down and could not harm you anymore, your aggressiveness is exposed and after the vicious attack, you could not hide behind the cloak of self-defense. You exposed and use my weakness in references but concealed and lied by misspelling the Nga Ramankan to Nga Yaman Kan and your cohort “Colonel” Okkar put the multiple insulting tags at all my articles. Now I had corrected all the references after I had given more than enough citations for my articles. However, you have given lame excuses to put back the tags. Yes you are right, my articles are not perfect. You are always welcomed to correct the mistakes. And if you care to see, another contributor Bojokemujee had posted most of those atrocities under Military rule. Nevermind you can blame me but please made sure that if you put any of your POV please kindly give irreputable sources and citations. Ko Kyaw, no article or book is perfect for every one. Even Holy books of God, like Bibles, Tri Pidaka, Torah and Koran may be not perfect for the non-believers. I am just a human being. You all need to improve this but not by vandalism or with insults. Ko Kyaw, thank you for suggesting me to have my own blog, or write in the online journals like Burma Digest. TQ, yes, I have done that. Just see my user page. But what are you and Okkar to tell that I am wrong to write these articles in Wiki. First you all tried to kick Muslims out of Myanmar and now, are you all trying to kick out Burmese Muslim articles from Wiki? No way Mr Kyaw. We are here to stay. You all could continue your Genocide attempt on Burmese Muslims in Wiki and so called Myanmar.

Where are the always enthusiastic, overactive Wiki editors and Administrators like: User:Rlevse and Ryūlóng (竜龍) to mediate our dispute? I hereby demand your vote or opinion or mediation regarding those unnecessary tags. You should not come to the scene of a fight, give a haste ‘judgment’ punish the victim and run away. You could cite thousands of Wiki rules and regulations that your judgment is right but it is morally bankrupt and wrong not to look into the root cause of a dispute or try to mediate on that matter.

It is the time to take out most of the insulting tags Ko Kyaw. No need to wait until cows comes back. The vicious multiple repetitive tags show your animosity. Your nasty attacks show the true nature and show that your excuses of self-defense is no more valid. I herby remove the excessive vicious unnecessary tags. Two is enough. Come on Administrators, if you think I am wrong think about this dispute and give decision. I would not remove again. Nevertheless, I cannot accept the aggressors or potential Genocide criminals’ decision to continue desecrate my articles.Darz kkg 06:57, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moken or Pashu or Bajou

Regarding your edits to Moken, please see my comments at Talk:Moken. The main article that I think you need to work on is Islam in Burma. But I suggest that you discuss your edits on the talk page before making them. Also, you seem to have trouble with some nomenclature. Be sure that you thoroughly understand the way that others use terms before making edits. --Bejnar (talk) 22:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

  • In researching I have found part of the problem. Pashu is just the local name in Kawthaung for people of Malay ancestry. It is also used to describe the mixed Malay-Burmese-Thai patois that many of them speak. Sometimes the word Pashu is also applied to the Moken as they are related to the Malays. An example of usage is the local Kawthaung name for Pterocarpus indicus or pashu-padauk while in English it is sometimes called Malay padauk. Pashu has nothing to do with religion, but that could be confusing since the Malay are more likely to be Muslim than the Burmese or Thai. --Bejnar (talk) 18:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
TQ very much for the very useful information.--Darz kkg (talk) 13:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
TQ again for the information but I am fed up with the way Wikipedia editors treated others who had contributed important facts for the benefit of others. So I am staying away to avoid tensions and arguments.
Proof (or reference for Wiki) = Just look at the tags in my Islam in Burma, Burmese Indians, Panthays or Burmese Chinese Muslim articles. I took those as an insult. You should edit to Wikify those or correct if I am wrong but don’t just insult others like this.
Most of you act like or sound like or look like real professionals.
Then if you all are not sure of Pashu/Moklen why one of the Wiki editors merge my Myanmar Malay Muslims or Malay Muslims in Burma article into the Moken article and then ERASED later?
If there were unacceptable facts or wrong facts, just correct them.
Why it is all right to erase my whole article? Is there any remedy or punishment for those IRRESPONSIBLE WIKI EDITORS?--Darz kkg (talk) 08:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnicity and religion

Ethnicity and religion are two areas that brindle with controversy. If you wish to work on articles about ethnicity and religion, please be very careful. All controversial facts must be cited to reliable sources. It is best if you can cite to neutral publications that are generally available. Academic publications tend to be more reliable than the popular press or websites with a particular point of view. --Bejnar (talk) 23:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Invite

salaam absolutely awsome work rate and material. I created nearly all of islam in china, and muslim chinese martial arts on muslimwiki , (it has now found its way to wikipedia - but vandalised and deleted in many ways). How can i contact you at your wordpress as there are no emails. Alternatively you are more than welcome to use your great expertise at islam in burma at the muslimwiki http://muslimwiki.com/mw/index.php/Islam_in_burma - where your contributions will be most definately welcome. A fan 81.86.211.184 (talk) 23:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC) p.s here is some work i did at http://muslimwiki.com/mw/index.php/Panthay_Rebellion 81.86.211.184 (talk) 23:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Leaving

I know it's really frustrating dealing with touchy political issues. It seems like articles related to Burma are repeatedly flagged POV without any explaination. I'm really sorry to see you go, I will do my best to keep an eye on these pages, though I think your purpsective is valuable to wikipedia. --Kraftlos (talk) 11:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)