Talk:Darwin's Nightmare

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This movie seems influenced by the work of Tijs Goldschmidt, author of Darwin's Dreampond. Though I haven't seen the documentary yet, I just thought I'd pass the word along. I read the book about four years ago and it was really enjoyable. There was a great mix of science and his personal experiences in Africa that I recall really enjoying. --4.235.147.198 07:20, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

yeah that author is referenced as an advisor in the credits. 21 April 2006

Contents 1 Possible eco-system correction 2 Wrong citation 3 Criticism 4 François Garçon 5 "Big fish, small fry" 6 Francois Garçon condemned for defamation by a french court

[edit] Possible eco-system correction

Is it possible that the Nile Perch will die out from starvation if they are the only predators in the lake? They destroy ecosystems in other places too. Why not introduce a crocidile or other natural predator?--69.255.16.162 21:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

You might get a better answer if you ask this question at Talk:Nile perch, but here's what I can tell you. Being the only predator is not what would kill the perch. Eating the other animals faster than they can replenish would. Think of it this way: you won't necessarily starve if you're the only one who eats the food in your refrigerator, but you will starve if you eat it faster than it gets filled with more food.

Introducing another predator would not solve the problem. Are you familiar with the children's story about an old woman who accidentally swallows a fly, so she swallows a spider to catch the fly, then has to swallow a bird to catch the spider, a cat to catch the bird, and on and on until she swallows a horse! Introducing a foreign animal (or plant) to an area requires a great amount of care to do responsibly (as the previous resident If crocodiles ate the perch, that might get rid of the perch but the crocodiles would then cause even more damage to the local ecosystem than the perch ever could. --Icarus ^(Hi!) 07:39, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong citation

The article claims that the Russian pilot says:

"The children of Europe receive fresh fish, the children of Angola receive guns for Christmas."

I won't correct it since I'm not a native speaker, but actually the pilot said something like:

"The children of Europe receive grapes, the children of Angola receive guns for Christmas." When saying this he doesn't talk about the Tansanian fish, but earlier, somehow similar, transports he made. This is one of the last scenes in this film. Carl Eugen, 192.35.241.134 16:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The above user is correct - I recall that the comment was about grapes versus guns.--Mashedpotatoes1 18:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, he says about grapes, not fish. Also I think he says, that the African children receive tanks instead, not guns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.115.148.23 (talk) 17:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC) Actually i think he says guns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.11.189 (talk) 17:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

This movie is biased and attracted alot of criticism not only from the actual fisheries in the country but also from the Tanzanian president. Atleast mention that.

The film maker tries to make the viewer think that the fish importers come empty handed and take the fish for free.

This is untrue. They pay for it. The film tries to convince us that fish exported from lake Victoria is used to fund fighting in Angola and Congo but this countries are no where near the great lakes.

Kendirangu 11:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] François Garçon

I removed the part about Garçon having business interests in the food industry because an information like that needs to be supported. It was placed in the article in a way that suggests Garçon is attacking the film to defend his own interests. I did a little research and found that, besides teaching, he also used to work for Havas, a French marketing group, which had some ties with some food companies, but if someone wants to assert Garçon's past involvement is behind his critique of the film he'll have to show some evidence first. --74.56.40.181 13:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

And there would be better places to discuss that than this article, especially as long as it is just an allegation or suspicion. I have made a link out of Garçon so that those who would like to discuss him can start a stub and discuss him there ;) Dysmorodrepanis 13:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Big fish, small fry"

This movie (available here) seems a far superior treatment than the sensationalistic "Darwin's Nightmare", as it is based on scientific research conducted since the 1970s. It may be useful as a lead for more information. The problem with Darwin's Nightmare is that it focuses on events occurring decades too late for its hypothesis, and hence has to turn to POV-pushing... Dysmorodrepanis 14:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Francois Garçon condemned for defamation by a french court

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/recherche_breve/1,13-0,37-1025731,0.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geremy78 (talk • contribs) 07:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)