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[edit] Where does the name Darth Sidious come from?

|Where does the name Darth Sidious come from? Is it mentioned in the movie? Are people supposed to know that its the same guy who plays Palistine? I mean Palpatine? Also, is the term "lord of the sith" used in the first 3 movies? What the hell are the sith? --- there was something here but i deleted it.

The name comes from Lucas's little book of baddy names, probably. It IS mentioned in the film. And the Sith are mentioned a lot too. Sith are bad Jedis. I'm sure there's an article on it somewhere around here.
I don't know whether people are meant to know it's the same bloke. Although it is pretty obvious. There's a debate out there in Star Wars fan land about whether or not Palpatine is Sidious. The majority hold that he IS because it is obvious. The minority hold that he isn't because it is so obvious that it has to be a bluff. -Nommo
But if it's obviously a bluff then we're obviously expected to believe it's a bluff and so it isn't! But wait - if we're meant to think it's not then it obviously is! But then, if we're meant to come to that conclusion then it's obviously wrong, so.......................Lee M 15:20, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Let it be known. Palpatine is truly Darth Sidious of the Dark Lords of the Sith. The novelization is out, and it has been revealed. Read the book if you don't believe it.

-- KFan II

In the orginal trilogy, the Emperor is referred to by name; Emperor Palpatine.

Is this true? Where in the original trilogy? AJD 07:15, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

In the novellization. Cornince 05:57 PM, 17 Feb 2004 (CST)

Sidious and Palpatine are obviously the same character. The only objection is that it's too obvious, and that supposedly the big reveal of Episode 3 will show something more complex (that Palpatine is a clone of Sidious for example, and that Sidious eliminates this clone to become Emperor). I think this is reaching, as Lucas has always maintained that the film is about Anakin. And I don't see precedence for Lucas devoting any great deal of screentime to explaining what/who the Sith are. The easiest, most expedient answer is that they are the same character, and that seems like the explanation Lucas will likely use. Indeed, there's no reason why they can't be the same character (except that some of us want something more surprising ;) I've added a section that presumes that the characters are one and the same. And in so doing, it reveals a rich backstory that makes the need for further complexity unnecessary. Cirdan 00:09, 01 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I did not know that Darth Maul (Sidious's apprentice, metioned in article) was sent to kil Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan along with Queen Amidala. Where did the person writing the article get it from? (I doubt it is false, I'm just interested in where he/she got that.) Also, who got that Anakin was being trained according to Darth Sidious's plans? If that were true, Darth Sidious would have had to forseen Queen Amidala's craft crashing onto Tatooine, Qui-Gon Jinn dying, Obi-Wan agreeing to train the boy, the Clone Wars beginning (that wouldn't be that hard to forsee), Count Dooku dying, Anakin's mother dying, Anakin becoming mad at the Tusken Raiders, and he turning to the Dark Side of the Force. That's a lot to forsee, even for a Sith Lord that powerful!

User:KFan II 1:50 PM, March 12, 2005.

Or he was in control of each situation, thus every event plays out under his watch. His role as senator was to encourage Anakin, then to mind-persuade Amidala to vote no confidence against Valorum, then as chancellor to get the powers he needed to get his army, and created the situation with the Trade Federation to find a reason to create an army. And then he might even have persuaded Tusken Raiders to kidnap Shmi and torture her, knowing full well that Anakin was strong enough to sense her, but Palpatine clouded himself so as to not be seen (however this is yet to be confirmed). Episode III will connect the rest of the dots for us and show that everyone was a pawn in this mastermind's scheme. And yes, it does get very complex. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:48, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)
That's way to hard to believe! I think Anakin kills Darth Tyranus (aka Count Dooku), and then Palpatine sees that he has turned to the dark side. Everyone cannot be a pawn in Darth Sidious's plan. No one is that manipulative. It is not even confirmed that he is Chancellor Palpatine. Tusken Raiders can't even talk to humans (or so it seems in the movies). --

KFan II 9:57 PM, Thursday, March 30, 2005.

[edit] Merger with Palpatine?

The Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker articles have been merged. If it is revealed (As it most likely will be) that Palpatine and Sidious are the same person, shouldn't we merge them as well? It makes even more sense than with Vader and Anakin since Palpatine was really Sidious all along, There is no issue of changing personalities. I do think that a merger should wait for the "official" reveal on May 19th. Comments?

I have made a merged article! Someone keeps erasing it and putting Palpatine back! Outrageous! Stop this immediatly! I know Palpatine is Darth Sidious from the novelization of Episode III! I know for sure! Don't question me! KFan II 21:39, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

The Vader/Anakin merger sets the precedent for this. The articles should be merged. Palpatine and Sidious are definitely the same person, and this is fairly common knowledge. Lucas intentionally never made a secret of it, he just never revealed it overtly until Episode III. Merge the articles. M412k 02:23, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Vader and Anakin were demerged long ago.Ivymike21 20:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help!

Someone! I messed up the article! Somethings wrong with the pictures! Please fix it! Just don't revert it to an earlier version! KFan II 21:45, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Palpatine or Darth Sidious

OK, should this article be under "Palpatine" or "Darth Sidious". On one hand, per wikipedia naming conventions the more commonly used name should be the title. Thus Palpatine wins. On the other hand, Vader/Anakin is now under "Darth Vader", so maybe this article should be under the "Darth" name as well. My opinion, we go with Palpatine, but I'm not going to change it without further discussion. Ace-o-aces 23:54, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Darth Sidious or Palpatine

OK, should this article be under "Darth Sidious" or "Palpatine"?

He is openly known by the name PALPATINE. This name was first used in the publication of Star Wars, Episode IV - A New Hope in 1976 (ghost written by Alan Dean Foster). The name PALPATINE was used only in the novels; in the movies he was referred to only as "the Emperor." Much like the Republic/Empire capitol world was first given its name, Coruscant, in an expanded universe novel. The original name Lucas considered for the character was Cos Dashit, but when it came time to make the prequels and the character would take the center ring, he opted for the name given to him by ALAN DEAN FOSTER. The name was posted in references both electronic and paper. Always, his name was PALPATINE!

His plans to unleash the Sith upon the galaxy and do away with the Jedi had been in development for decades. So complex were his plans that he could not allow unwitting agents to stumble upon them or otherwise interfere. This is one of the reasons he had a dual persona -- he wanted his Sith background concealed until the time came for him to openly show his hand. Those who dealt with him as Darth Sidious, clearly did not know about him being PALPATINE.

He is openly known as PALPATINE. All canon STAR WARS references list him as PALPATINE first and Darth Sidious as a stub. The primary entry should be under PALPATINE. Darth Sidious is only an a.k.a. Robeykr 5/8/05 2:22:01 AM ED


[edit] Vote

I vote for a merger under the name Palpatine. The Darth names are all conferred on the recipients, and are definitely not birth names. So, the character's legal name would be Palpatine, not Sidious. I also think that the Vader article should be under Skywalker... but that's just me. Maeglin Lómion 01:08, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Thank-you -- Robeykr 06:06, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). If a person has two names, you use the more common one. Google "Darth Sidious" and "Palpatine". You can see PALPATINE is the more popular and well known. Thus, it should be under Palpatine. Ace-o-aces 23:44, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Thank-you -- Robeykr 06:06, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DARTH SIDIOUS

DARTH SIDIOUS. I disagree with Robeykr. Darth Sidious is not an AKA. Sidious pretends to be Palpatine. You see, if Sidious was trained since near birth by Plagueis, he would have made up or taken a name from a famous political family when attempting to take over the galaxy. This is similar to the name Amidala. Padme's last name wasn't Amidala, it was Nabeeire. Amidala is a political name. Even though he is widely known as Palpatine, he is truly Darth Sidious. Same thing with Dooku. And Darth Maul didn't have a name, either. Once you are a Sith, your previous name means nothing. You are known by your Sith name. I mean, let's be loyal to Star Wars, please. Palpatine is Sidious. Not the other way around. KFan II 23:36, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Ohhhhhhh... I do so d-i-s-a-g-r-e-e with KFan II. Maybe aka is not proper terminology to use here. However there is no pretending on his part -- the fact that he is not showing his true colours is not quite the same thing. He is the same person -- as the big reveal in episode III shows. But the name of DARTH SIDIOUS was confered on him when he became a sith. There is no information indicating that he was trained from birth. That was the case with DARTH MAUL, but that was the result of a kidnapping. That is why he is only known as Darth Maul; it was the only name he had ever known. Dooku was confered the name of DARTH TYRANUS when he became Maul's succesor. Anakin was confered the name DARTH VADER when he swore his loyalty to the Sith -- not before. Robeykr 06:06, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Regardless, Palpatine/Sidious is known in the classic trilogy as "Emperor Palpatine," never as Darth Sidious. And I agree with Robeykr, there is no canonical evidence suggesting that he was trained from birth. Therefore, the article should be under Palpatine, with a mention of the naming convention. M412k 02:29, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

OK, looks like consensus on this issue, though not %100, leans heavely towrads PALPATINE. I'll mark these articles for merger, but I'll let someone else figure out how. Ace-o-aces 06:15, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Tecnically, the general public didnt knew his name but after episode 2, when Christopher Lee says who he is (and even then its not all that clear). But every Star Wars fan knew that Palpatine was Sidious, as it was written years ago in both comic books and magazines. This page has absolutely no reasson to exist, it makes the whole thing nicer, sure, but other than that anyone who comes across the Darth Sidious page would directly go to the so-called spoiler and realise that he is the emperor Palpatine.

[edit] Quotes

Should the quotes be moved to wikiquote? Nateji77 23:55, 12 May 2005 (UTC)


THERE WILL BE NO MERGER

Yeah, cos caps raelly make it look like a valid point. My vote is for all of them to be moved where quotes are supposed to be.

[edit] Soft redirect

If this page is a soft redirect to avoid spoilers(which I assume is that Darth Sidious is Palpatine) why does it mention Palpatin in the article? Or if I'm an idiot couse someone please tell me what the spoilers are? Thanks in advance Mikeee

I have been attempting to improve the quality of some Wikipedia articles. If you don't want that, then that's fine with me. I'll keep my hands off the articles, and I won't be able to fulfill my duties as a contributor to Wikipedia. Okay? Everything's hunky-dory now. (Please, no disrespect is meant in the slightest.)
We want your contributions, you are just puting it in the wrong place. Jedi6-(need help?) 03:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Question: Should the sentence "He was a Sith Lord who was the main power driving the events of the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy." not be placed under the spoiler warning? It is a bit of a spoiler. Lenin & McCarthy 06:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] why does this page exist??

Wikipedia should not be another tool for Lucas productions, this page seriously have no reasson to exist.