Talk:Darth Revan/Archive 1

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Contents 1 Canon ending 2 SWW 3 Clearing up a few things 4 The last statement in the article... 5 Picture 6 Revan's homeworld? 7 Disputed 8 "Jedi Master Kreia" 9 Revan's face

Canon ending

Since the Revan history comes all from the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic game, there were two possible outcomes, the one where Revan stays true to the light side and becomes the "prodigal knight" and the other where he and Bastila join the dark side an complete their dominaton of the galaxy, shouldn't both be entered into here? Or if the dual timeline is too radical, perhaps taking out everything after Revan loses his memory, the point in the Revan storyline where everything is the same no matter what

The "light side" ending is the conclusion stated to be canonical by Lucasfilm.

Can someone find a source where the LightSide ending is endorsed? --Rjo 00:48, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)

Also there is a possible side of Revan falling in love with Bastila, or if played through with the female Revan she would fall in love with Carth Onasi.

SWW

The official ending is the Lightside ending. This information can be found by visiting http://www.starwars.com and then searching up KoToR characters in the Databank.

Give a direct link to the specific Databank because I've never seen it before.

^that's about it for now.

I too would like a link- my search of the KOTOR character entries on Star Wars Databank shows only considerable coyness about which ending happened. --maru 18:42, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

From Star Wars Databank: Star Forge:

"Although the branching nature of KOTOR's storyline allows for an ending in which the dark side triumphs and the Star Forge remains intact, Star Wars continuity maintains that one way or another, the Star Forge was destroyed."

That doesn't say with 100% certainty that Revan returned to the light side of the Force at the end of KotOR, but given that the dark side option was to keep the Star Forge in tact, it would be very likely that the light side ending is indeed what Lucasfilm considers canon. --Nufy8 19:04, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Star Forge was destroyed in both endings, Nufy- it is just that it was immediately destroyed in the Light Side ending, and in the Dark Side ending, it wasted away to nothing when Revan left for the Unknown regions. So I'm afraid that bit of evidence really does not say either way. Now, if we bring in KOTOR II, then maybe we can get an authoritative canon ending; but I cannot really say- been too long since I played. --maru 19:09, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It wasn't destroyed in both KotOR endings, but, yes, by the time the events of KotOR II take place, the Star Forge is no more. However, the SW Databank content for the Star Forge implies that it was probably destroyed on or shortly after KotOR's ending, otherwise the mention of the dark side ending leaving the Star Forge intact wouldn't have been necessary - it's obvious that the Star Forge is destroyed at some point. --Nufy8 19:20, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Republic used a captive Revan to piece together clues as to the Star Forge's location, and eventually discovered the Unknown World. Republic forces attacked en masse, and despite devastating losses, were able to defeat Malak and the Star Forge.

A pretty slight reed to base it on regardless. --maru 19:27, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Clearing up a few things

Exar Kun: Kun was the last major Dark Lord of the Sith before Darth Revan, but he didn't immediately precede Revan. As soon as three years after the Great Sith War, there was already a Sith Academy up and running on Korriban. Considering that most of Exar Kun's followers were spending those years being wiped up by the Jedi in the Cleansing of the Nine Houses, and also considering that this academy was not at all secret from the Jedi and was actively seeking out and recruiting potential Sith apprentices, it's highly doubtful that this academy was being run by one of Kun's slavering Jedi minions, isn't it? Especially for forty years. Revan had to inherit the title of Dark Lord from somewhere, didn't he?

No- one could be a self-proclaimed Dark Lord. --maru 18:42, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gender and ending: The official ending of Knights of the Old Republic is the light side ending. You can read this in the starwars.com databank entries on almost anyone or anything from KOTOR. Revan's gender is also male, as Star Wars author Dan Wallace has stated in the Literature and Authors & Artists forums of theforce.net. It's unlikely LFL will ever state this in a print source, so as not to spoil some players' gaming experiences, but the fact remains that Revan was officially a man.

But LFL not saying anything is a statement. Meaning Revan has not yet been canonized as a male. Also, Dan Wallace hasn't published anything under the Star Wars name stating that Revan is a male so it is "unofficial". And if this article strives to be accurate, it should state that Revan is unofficially a male. --Val

I would like to point out that while the official Star Wars website says a few things about the Star Forge being destroyed etc. that only happen on the light ending, the official Knights of the Old Republic II site specifically refers to Revan as the Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Revan after killing Malak on the Star Forge. Not to mention that in the Shadows and Light comic book, the picture of Revan having killed Malak on the Star Forge shows him in his dark side robes. --Kotor Mark 02:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

The last statement in the article...

Says:

"While the galaxy did suffer through several generations of conflict due to Revan's fall and the subsequent Jedi Civil War, without his influence, then the Sith may have never been thrown out of power after their takeover in 2,000 BBY."

What does Revan have to do with the Sith taking over 2,000 years later and then going into hiding 1,000 years after that?

No idea. It should probably be deleted.

Picture

How did one get that screenshot of Revan on Taris?

I imagine someone used a mod on the PC version of the game to be able to equip a lightsaber and Revan's clothing on Taris, then took a screenshot of it. Nufy8 16:11, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Or transited to Telos through a mod or cheat - many of these pictures include people such as HK-47, who you normally couldn't have on Telos. It's a nice planet for a background, that's why it's used. -Xol 01:12, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Revan's homeworld?

In KOTOR, when Bastila is questioning the player about his biography (when the player is still assumed to be a Republic soldier, not Revan), the only "honest" option for a homeworld is "Deralia. It's in a remote system. Why?"

Is it possible that it's Revan's true homeworld? Does this planet even exist? --Anonymous

I imagine it is a real planet if going by KotOR's storyline, but I'm guessing this knowledge was programmed by the Jedi Council. --Nufy8 12:23, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Nods The Council would have to fabricate a whole back story for Revan, and the remoter (and thus harder to check on) the system, the better. My guess is that since Revan was grabbed by the Jedi while young, he lived on a more central, populous world. Which that one is is simply a mystery. --maru 14:55, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Disputed

See this talk page.

"Jedi Master Kreia"

While she did teach Revan, such a title is hardly appropriate in the beginning of the article. The quote is from KOTOR II, where she's a Jedi Master no longer, but Darth Traya. And so is her main article called, anyway. --Sikon 05:01, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think it would be more appropriate to call her Kreia, as she says this quote before she goes back to being Darth Traya (which occurs at the end of the game). --Nufy8 15:44, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I concur, but simply for the reason that most of the time she was Kreia, or some variant thereof; Darth Traya, always remember, is a title. --maru 16:14, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Revan's face

I'm not sure about official canon from Lucasfilm, but there is at least partial evidence (I use the term generously) that Revan is (or should be) male. Great care has been taken not to mention Revan's gender or eventual affiliation on the official Star Wars website however LucasArts has a different view.

The screensaver supplied on the original KotOR website displays two pictures: one of Darth Malak, the other of an unidentified male who fits with one of the 'portraits' available for the main character in the game (To those of you with the game, it's the character with long(ish) brown hair, combed back). It may not be canon, but the person in the screensaver is the only face I have seen that 'advertised' Revan's character in a graphic form. This is in the same manner as the Jedi Exile in the sequel is 'advertised' as having a shaved head and a goatee (Comment edited to include thumbnail image).

Plus, to continue the gender argument, a 'chronicles' section was written on the KotOR II website that contains back story, spanning events well before the original game. The last parts of these chronicles (probably through a necessity of writing) continually refers to Revan as male. --RobWill80

We do see Revan's canonical form. In KotOR II, when the Exile enter the temple on Korriban, and sees the visions, the biggest, bald, orange-y one is Revan at the time of seducing other Jedi to go off to the Mandalorian Wars. --Maru 30 June 2005 16:21 (UTC)

I haven't been so far in the sequel, but from reading elsewhere, I was under the impression that the person you speak of is Malak, before he gets the plate covering the lower half of his face. The description you gave sounds like it is him of that period (Comment edited to include this screenshot). I know Revan is in the sequel (I think that he's in the rear of this screenshot, carrying one violet and one red lightsaber). --RobWill80

I've played and finished the original and the sequel as a female character. In the sequel, Revan is referred to (and shown) as female if you play as a female. Here's a link to Dan Wallace's comment. comments. He didn't even play the game before saying that and had no part in the development. Suffice it to say, this is far far from canon. He doesn't even mention the gender. Wikipedia is a place for facts, not for conjectures. Since the databank articles are purposely vague, that's more proof that LFL hasn't stated what is or isn't canon. Males are advertised because it's marketed toward males (so they can get the character to seduce the pretty lady). I'm at least going to take out the gender choice as canon. --User:Yincrash 7 July 2005 06:48 (UTC)

Uh...you can choose the sex and alignment of Revan at the beginning of KOTR II, when you talk to Atton for the first time. --Kross 18:03, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

No, Revan is not shown as a female anywhere in The Sith Lords. The only time he appears (and you'll note that it's not even really him), he's wearing the mask and cape from the flashbacks scenes of the first game. The comment you linked to is not the one I was referring to, which can be read here: [1].

But for simplicity's sake:

"I actually avoided specifying whether Revan was a male or female (based in part on my own game experience in which I played a female character, so now I naturally think of Revan as female). But for what it's worth, LFL told me that they had decided the 'official' version of Revan was male."

--Jon Hart 7 July 2005 16:04 (UTC)

I stand corrected. I'm going to list the link on the page. --Yincrash 7 July 2005 18:56 (UTC)

Also, in the original game, Revan and Bastila have a vision about his and Malak's visit to the ruins on Dantooine. Malak is shown as bald, dressed in orange garb (high collar and no face plate), and taller than Revan. Revan is wearing the costume featured in the above screenshot. --RobWill80

Actually, you might be right about it being Malak- I don't recall it ever being specified that it was Revan, and if dark side-ized, could well be a match. --Maru 1 July 2005 04:22 (UTC)

If you're refering to the guy in the middle doing most of the talking, then you're refering to Malak --Val

If you're referring to the guy the game identifies as Malak, then you're referring to Malak. Remember, it was Revan and Malak who sounded the call to battle during the Mandalorian Wars. The Revan specter doesn't appear until later in the tomb.