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Contents 1 Jews 2 September 11th 1944 3 Elements 4 City vs. town 5 Notable Buildings 6 Military 7 Famous people 8 sister cities

[edit] Jews

"Most of Darmstadt's 3000 Jews were killed by the Nazi regime between 1933 and 1945."

Though I do not doubt the Holocaust in general, I should add that the most German Jews did survive the Genocide through early emigration after the Nazis took power. The big bulk of killed Jews were the Jews of Eastern Europe.

This is half-true bullshit. 90% of Germany's jews still in Germany in 1939 were estimated killed. While there were a lot of emigrees, saying 'most survived' is close to propaganda, and misses the point.MadMaxDog 11:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll partly revert myself. It seems that a very large proportion of German Jews DID escape. However, the 3000 mentioned in the article were actual deaths, not the whole number of Jews present pre-Nazi times. MadMaxDog 12:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

To further compliacte matters, the source I gave for the Jewish shops being closed in Darmstadt seems to indicate that much fewer Jews actually ended up being killed during the war in Darmstadt, yet in another section seems to imply that he was talking only about 'local' Jews and not about Polish Jews (who had emigrated to Darmstadt in the directly pre-Nazi years). Seeing that official sources are pretty set on the 3000 deported to concentration camps, I'll keep that here for now. Could anybody help clarify?MadMaxDog 12:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

"Darmstadt had the dubious honor of being the first city in Germany to force Jewish shops to close in early 1933,..." This an NPOV violation; it is not the place of a factual article on Darmstadt to declare oppression of anyone is good or bad. I shall make the fact plainly stated. Tilsit 09:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] September 11th 1944

The September 11 line for 1944 says that 11 500 were killed, but this page says 12 300. What are the sources for/verifiability of this?

--J 21:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elements

"The chemical element Darmstadtium (atomic number: 110), first discovered at the Gesellschaft für Schwerionenforschung was named after the city in 2003, making Darmstadt only the fourth city with an element named after it (the other three are Ytterby, Sweden, Berkeley, California, and Dubna, Russia)."

The element Strontium is named for Strontian, Scotland, so I added that. However, it is more accurate to say those five cities are the only ones to have an element named after the modern form of the name. Holmium is named for the Latinized Holmia (Stockholm), Hafnium for Hafnia (Copenhagen), and Lutetium for Lutetia (Paris). I'm not sure how to say this, so anyone have a good way?

[edit] City vs. town

From city: "City is primarily used to designate an urban settlement with a large population. However, city may also indicate a special administrative, legal, or historical status." Anyway, how much bigger than 140,000 does a population have to be to be called a city? Lars T. 22:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, and in addition to my previous arguments in the edit summary (usage on the English version of the city council website, size and importance), there is also the statistical city definition per de:Großstadt (German version of 'city') and the List of cities in Germany with more than 100,000 inhabitants. MadMaxDog 11:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Buildings

The remarkable water tower by the Eisenbahn with pointed roof, which has had an art studio and restaurant in it, deserves mention and a photograph. We already have Image:Darmstadt-Wasserturm-1.jpg available. I shall add it. Tilsit 09:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, yes, fair go, its a nice building, and very iconic of Darmstadt. But PLEASE don't put it in full-size on the talk page! I fixed your image link on here. ;-) MadMaxDog 11:37, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Military

In addition to Cambrai-Fritsch Kaserne, Darmstadt also has U.S. Army personnel at Kelly Barracks. There is also Ernst Ludwig Kaserne, just south of Kelly Barracks, but that has been returned to the city some years ago. Also, I believe that AFN Europe operates from Frankfurt, not Darmstadt.

AFN has left its building in Frankfurt about 2 years ago, and moved operations to Mannheim. Lars T. 16:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Echelon-station at http://snipr.com/1pog1 missing completely here. Thanks for updating :-) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.83.220.231 (talk) 11:00:40, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Famous people

How do people feel about pruning that subsection? Any city that has existed for a long time and is any size is likely to be able to fill such a subcat quite quickly. And while certainly many people of city X are notable enough to be on Wikipedia (and are welcome to be linked backwards to their birthplace), I do not think that most of them are so notable that they should stay with a forward link.

I think that most of the newer (still living) names in the category do not justify inclusion under tighter critera. Should be narrowed down to 4-6 of the list only - like Büchner, Goethe, Prinzessin Alice von Hessen', Lichtenberg, von Liebig...

What do others feel? Ingolfson 06:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Seeing that editors keep adding people, but no one ever comments here, let me just reiterate my stance to clarify in the light of recent additions which I reverted: Wikipedia (to my knowledge) has no hard and fast consensus on who to include in a "famous people of" section (or even if it should exist at all!). I consider however that such a section should contain only people who are not only notable enough to be on Wikipedia (and those will be more and more - with loose criteria, any large city could conceivably have hundreds or even thousands of people notable enough to be on Wikipedia), they should also be indisputably important even in relation to other notable people AND have a close and meaningful connection to the city. This means that many people (especially many "recently famous" people/living people) would not qualify. I think that a better solution is instead to create a category for such people from a certain city, instead of linking them all from the article. Ingolfson (talk) 05:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sister cities

I just added Freiberg to the twinned towns, because it is one of them ;) Greets from Darmstadt ;) --79.216.232.219 (talk) 16:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)