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Darkest Hour is one of the best examples of "metalcore" that I have ever heard, yet there is no mention of that genre on this page, I'm hesitant to change the page so drastically, but I feel it is crucial, anyone care to make a case for NOT changing them to metalcore?
They're not metalcore. They play melo-death almost identical to bands like Arch Enemy and Edge of Sanity. "Metalcore" is innaccurately used as an umbrella to describe a lot of modern metal bands, but the little bit of hardcore/punk influence they had when they formed is gone. Undoing Ruin is pretty much straight-forward melo-death with thrash influences.
I agree, Darkest hour has both influences of Metalcore and Melodic Death Metal, I've noticed there is some debate as to which one it is, but I believe it be best to modify the page to acknowledge it as both, any more discussion on this topic will be nice. 1607m4dsk1llz 19:30, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I would say the best way to describe them would be as a Melodic Death Metal band with some thrash influenced metalcore. If you have ever been to the Encyclopaedia Metallum (http://www.metal-archives.com/), which is a fairly respected archive of metal bands, that is their general classification for them. 4.159.167.189 18:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
K I'm putting "Melodic Metalcore" so there's no confusion. RaikiriChidori 17:47, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Well yeah it's a good idea but Metal Archives is not really credible so we gotta find another source. Also the hardcore genre should be in there even though "that's not known for what they play", it's a good idea to describe their sounds from their early material. Or at least a more hardcore oriented metalcore sound.24.23.57.81 06:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Biography section
Not encyclopedic at all. Nbettencourt 00:34, 17 April 2006 (UTC) yep.
I agree. Someone should check if this was copied from a press release or the label's own write-up. I fucking hate when people do that. I edited out some parts that were blatantly POV and had no valuable info, but left the article fairly intact. In the writer's defense, a lot of the stuff that people added "not verifiable" tags to seems pretty factual, and the tags are kind of arbitrary, since a lof of the stuff is from before the major use of the internet and would therefore be nearly impossible to find on there. For example, info about the first EP, which even the band itself is reluctant to acknowledge, is scarce, but the EP definitely exists (I know, as I have the mp3's. I assume the writer was a longtime fan who somehow actually has a copy, but I don't know how he'd prove that. Same goes for a lot of the early lineup changes. Unless there's evidence to the contrary, I'd suggest leaving those parts as is. Also, the image links for the discography don't work. --Alex
ITS MELODIC DEATH METAL. THERE ARE NO BREAKDOWNS THAT OCCUR IN METALCORE. SO KEEP IT MELODIC DEATH METAL
And have a nice day
-I personally don't think that they are a metalcore band in the first place, I see them much closer to melodic death metal. First of all, breakdown are almost totally absent in their music and breakdown are somehow a metalcore/hardcore trademark. More to it, the vocals are mostly colser to the screaming type that we used to hear from At The Gates, same with the drums but will more groovy beats and many many breaks than Adrian Erlandsson's work with At The Gates. Also their lyrics are a bit different when you compare it to the lyrics of Unearth or Killswitch Engage or Trivium. --Aly
His singing is actually a yell but with some of the rasp of melodic death metal so it's really exactly in between. When you listen to both ATG and Darkest Hour you can hear the similarities and differences in their voice. I believe they are a metal band with thrash, melodic death and hardcore influences. и
Why are they still called Metal-core? Who is the idiot who keeps putting this up, they don't sound like Shai Hulud or Old Eighteen Visions. They are a METAL band. there is hardly little if any metal-core, maybe they had breakdowns in the past but that doesn't mean anything, would you call The Dillinger Escape Plan a Jazz band because they have jazz bits? or a samba band because they have some samba bits? God I can't believe how stupid people are. Majority wins, they are a MELODIC DEATH METAL band. End of Story. --Killingthedream 16:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
How about just calling the genre disputed? Or is that not encyclopedic enough? JaVaR 10:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Not all metalcore has "core breakdowns". The term metalcore would imply that the band mixes metal and hardcore influences. Hardcore, in punk terms. I would agree for the most part that this is a melodic death metal band, sometimes hitting gothenburg riffs. The metalcore argument might be made with the vocals, and maybe some of the drum patterns used along with possible punk-influenced riffs.--Relyt22 21:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I also believe this is more melodic death than metalcore. Unless we can get a source reliable and strong enough we will have to settle it as metalcore only. NaotoATG 06:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Members of pg.99
Should it be mentioned that Darkest Hour has members of pg 99? I'm not sure which members though.--Relyt22 21:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Grindcore
I realize its sourced, but you have to be kidding me. Stuff like this further proves why allmusic is unreliable when it comes to metal(or punk in the case of Grind). Inhumer (talk) 00:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Agreeable. I never really heard grindcore to the overall melodic deathcore/metal sound especially for their current outing. I will remove it with the valid reason, "AllMusic is not reliable in specific genres; removed." Also AllMusic has death and black metal as one, so it's pretty obvious. The Phantomnaut (talk) 03:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Yea they are definately not grindcore. They are metalcore, grindcore is more bring me the horizon, Darkest Hour is metal. Riverpeopleinvasion (talk) 00:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
BMTH have nothing to do with Grind. Inhumer (talk) 22:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Melodic death metal
I was in a edit conflict before but I would just like to say this: MA is not a reliable source but take a look at all music guide, they mention death metal (and on their albums) but obviously not real death metal. Another problem is don't let their looks fool you... they sound like later at the gates, well mostly their guitars and instrumentation though but they look distinctly metalcore-like. Also, other bands of this style tend to be bumped down to just metalcore... just like All That Remains are... and As I lay Dying is an example of a metalcore band with only melodic death influences ONLY. I've seen way too much of this recently... −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ kaiden 20:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- No, all music is not a credible source of information. Read the "Grindcore" section of this discussion page. For example, All music says Atreyu is sludge metal. All music uses labels and genres very loosely and is not a credible source of information when it comes to genres and labels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.240.102.247 (talk) 00:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree with you but they must have something at least if they mention death metal in their bio and their albums and just labeling them metalcore would actually hurt the article imo. I understand that it's not reliable for metal genres (especially their horrible death.black metal tag [probably indicating that they're extreme metal but still]) primarily and rock and more mainstream genres seem to be better off with AMG. I saw the grindcore section when I edited here before. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ kaiden 06:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
The reference "http://www.metal-rules.com/zine/content/view/1143/0/" states that they are "pioneers of metalcore". It also states their melodic death metal influences. So isnt that a reference for metalcore also not only melodeath? User:Riverpeopleinvasion 90.204.182.224 (talk) 16:39, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
