Talk:Danny Yee

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Hang on, we've been through this before. An earlier version of this page was deleted after we decided I wasn't notable enough for a Wikipedia entry. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Log/2005_June_11#Danny_Yee -- Danny Yee 22:18, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

But hey, Harriet Klausner now has an entry, so maybe book reviewing can qualify one for notability - I think I still squeak into Google's top ten for "book reviews". I don't have the energy to VfD the page myself, anyway. -- Danny Yee 22:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Notability

I just learned from Danny Yee himself, in his Wikipedia editing role, that this article had previously been VfD'd, some time back. First thing, I just want to be clear that I created the page without any encouragement from Yee, nor with any personal acquaintance with him. As I mentioned on his talk page, I think I did once exchange a few emails with him, maybe six or seven years ago; but it's nothing like I'm his good friend writing a page. I did provide a heads up after I created the page, on his user talk page.

That said, when I noticed the name User:Dannyyee on an edit, I immediately thought of the well-known Danny Yee whom I've been familiar with, by reputation, for a bunch of years. The first thing I wondered was if it was the same one, but the second thing was whether he had a WP article, which his noteriety merits. I think the prior VfD was simply voted wrongly, now that I saw it. Of course, I do not actually know what was on the prior page, since I never saw it.

In any case, I believe Yee is highly notable under Wikipedia:Criteria for inclusion of biographies, which reads in part: Published authors, editors, and photographers who have written books with an audience of 5,000 or more or in periodicals with a circulation of 5,000 or more. The reviews Yee has written since 1992 have been extremely widely syndicated and referenced, and by my guess over a million people have read at least one of his reviews. Yee gives a little bit of information on his server logs at his reviews page that is suggestive of a likely number. I know there's much guesswork in getting an exact readership, but it is at least a couple orders-of-magnitude past that 5000 threshhold.

Moreover, on the "Google test", "Danny Yee" returns 173,000 hits. Some of those may different persons with the same name, but the first few pages are all clearly the same Danny Yee. Alexa shows danny.oz.au/ as 64,396 ranked, and dannyreviews.com as 170,118.

Just to rant a little: a porn actor viewed by far fewer people keeps a WP artice; an indie band with far fewer listeners keeps an article; a video game character for a game played by fewer people keeps an article. For gosh sake, don't impose a higher standard of noteriety on people who write in academic or intellectual traditions than you do for minor notables in popular culture. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 01:27, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

It seemed borderline to me before, so I wasn't going to make a fuss. But having seen more of Wikipedia since, there do seem to be a lot of people notable only in very narrow areas who have entries. (Incidentally, I'd support shunting almost all the "fictional world" entries to a different Wiki entirely. Wikipedia should certainly have an entry on famous books and films, but do we really need a hundred or so articles on The Wheel of Time?)
My million reader mark must have been passed some time ago, though most of them are people who come off Google or another search engine, look at one review, and are never seen again. Regular readers are harder to judge, but I have around 1500 people on my mailing lists and 100 unique hosts pulling the RSS feed, so 2000 would be a conservative estimate. (The most widely read documents I've written may be some of the free software advocacy pieces - I remember one of the ones that got Slashdotted had 40,000 views in 24 hours.)
The EFA/civil liberties connection is probably more noteworthy than I think it is - I haven't been that active for a while now, but I did lead two protest marches involving a few hundred people. -- Danny Yee 06:46, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Do you know of any media coverage of these protest marches, or of other EFA activity you have participated in. I would like to add a bit on what some "regular newspapers" say about EFA, and about Yee's activity within it specifically. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 19:25, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
There's a timeline on the EFA site at http://www.efa.org.au/Campaigns/NSWMarch.html but the links to external articles and photos in that are defunct. -- Danny Yee 05:38, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 2nd AFD

Was there a second AFD on this? Can someone provide the link ref? novacatz 13:22, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

No, there hasn't been a second AFD. -- Danny Yee 03:38, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Well, now there's been a 2nd. Oh, and, so interestingly, there's now a picture of Danny Yee on our page? is that supposed to make us want to vote for him? Because it's [removed as per WP:BLP] See diff .-Kmaguir1 03:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To Do

More info Yee mentioned in email (quick pasted, pending following/researching links):

I organised/led protest marches on New South Wales Parliament House
(in 1996) and the offices of the Australian Broadcasting Authority
(in 1999).

The newspaper accounts all seem to be link-rot or pay-to-view, but
there's some material on the EFA site:
  http://www.efa.org.au/Campaigns/NSWMarch.html
  http://www.efa.org.au/Campaigns/may28/syd/index.html

Organizing protest marches??-Kmaguir1 16:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danny Yee (second nomination)

The result of this AfD discussion was keep.  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  10:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Malicious deletion of image

According to Wikipedia:The perfect article

  • includes informative, relevant images—including maps, portraits, photographs and artworks—that add to a reader's interest or understanding of the text, but not so many as to detract from it.

The repeated deletion simply violates guidelines, and deserves appropriate sanction. LotLE×talk 17:58, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

No, not notable enough. And there was discussion about how the picture was ridiculous on a page like this. Even one is too many here, and detracts.-Kmaguir1 18:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Use of portrait images, as you very well know, has nothing whatsoever to do with "degree of notability". I am confident that if you continue this disruption I will be able to convince an admin to block you for a longer period than the trivial 10 days you had before. So I guess go ahead an keep doing it... it would solve a lot of problems. LotLE×talk 18:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Such as? -Kmaguir1 00:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)