Talk:Daniela Hantuchová

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[edit] Photo

How about another photo? This one doesn't look like her, what I'm training to say it's prety old and she has changed much since.

Here it is!Mariah-Yulia 22:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

How bout this one? (link spam removed Chuq 05:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] ITF TITLES

Why does someone keep erasing the ITF titles?


[edit] Second Indian Wells Title

She just won her second WTA title; could someone please include some info about that. I dont't feel like writing it, my English is not so good. Also about the skeleton thing - I am from Slovakia, and have never heard about anything like that here. Dont know about other countries though, but I still think such unflattering nickname should not be on Wikipedia, especially when it is unconfirmed.

ja tiez neviem dobre po anglicky, ale uz vcera som to tam napisal --Mt7 10:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Damian R Thomson To previous writer. Indian Wells. You wrote Indina wells.

[edit] "Good Looks"

This sentence at the end of the opening paragraph; "Her striking good looks, so rare in ladies Tennis, have helped her gain noteriety." (sic)

While that might be true, it's very subjective, and to be honest not really that rare when you take into account the likes of Anna Kournikova and Maria Sharapova for example. Should the sentence be removed? Or at least reworded so it's not so much opinion? I've left it for now, just fixed the spelling or notoriety.

I personally also don't think it's "notorious" anyway, as it's not an unfavorable quality.

Some writers, even published ones, have fallen into the lousy practice of using the word "notorious", when they merely mean "noted", or something like that. Such carelessness and imprecision in the written word is despicable. It shows the lack of wits enough to understand the connotations, as well as the denotations of words, and notorious definitely has a bad connotation, as in the "notorious Nazi bombing of Rotterdam in 1940", or "the notorious Jesse James". I have seen the same problem with many other words in written English, including the use of the word "infamous", which always has a bad connotation, such as in "the infamous Japanese air attack on Pearl Harbor, 7 December 1941". "A date that will live in infamy": Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

ChrisJP 17:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I removed the newer wording She has twice topped the ACE tennis magazine's Hot List of the World's Sexiest Tennis Players for now. While I agree with ACE, I wouldn't put it in the intro, maybe not in the article altogether. There are four pictures in the article. --Neofelis Nebulosa 02:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I made the ACE edit you refer to, to replace the previous subjective comment. It is a sourced matter of fact. Her looks are relevent for an encyclopedia given the publicity they get, as highlighted by the ACE magazine link. You have allowed your opinions to override a matter of fact. Please restore it or invoke the dispute procedure. John 18:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree with John here, since the ACE sentence is a sourced fact I think it should be in there. I agree it is relevant, and is not just a subjective opinion as was in the sentence before which I started this discussion on. ChrisJP 14:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Of course one's take on what's relevant and what's not is an opinion, if that's what you mean by "allowing my opinions override a matter of fact". I can live with the mention being in the article, but again, I wouldn't place it in the intro. --NeofelisNebulosa (моє обговорення) 05:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mixed-Doubles Career Grand Slam

I have corrected an apparent mistake. It previously said that Daniela was the 5th woman to win a career Grand Slam in mixed doubles, after Court, King, and Navratalova. Obviously, from counting, it goes 1, 2, 3, 4th- Daniela Hantuchova, unless some other previous winner of that was left off. Also, on a list like this, their whole names should be used, for the benefit of unfamiliar readers. I have made this correction: Margaret Smith Court, Billy Jean King, and Martina Navratalova. DAW 72.146.34.78 01:20, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tedium

I find all of the infinite details of Daniela's (or any other player's) career to be tedious reading in text. It would be MUCH BETTER to just tabulate most of that information, and to reserve the text for more productive purposes for which text is needed. DAW 72.146.34.78 01:20, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Apostrophes

Things might be different in Slavic languages, of which I know nothing, but in Spanish, if a vowel has a apostrophe over it (like the last a in Hantuchova), that means that the syllable is stressed, and the vowel is long. Spanish has sensible rules that the first syllable is stressed, and has a long vowell, unless indicated otherwise. An example of this is the word León, where the stress is on the second syllable, instead of the first, and the "o" is long. Anyway, for common people like me who know English and some Spanish**, the á is misleading. **And I will assure you that we are MUCH more common than people who know English and some Slovak. This is strictly a statistical argument.

For common people like me it would be misleading to have a Slovak name written with the ortographical rules of the Spanish language, wouldn't it. --NeofelisNebulosa (моє обговорення) 06:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More Information on Daniela

I have noticed that this article focuses strictly on Daniela's tennis and looks. It needs some more information. Did Daniela graduate from high school? If so, where? Is she a good sister & daughter? Or, does she even have any brothers or sisters? The information that she is an only child would be useful, if that is true. Does Daniela have any other important activities ourside of tennis and modeling? I don't mean does she like to play with dogs or cats, but rather things like, "Is she involved in charatible work?" Has she ever been engaged, and is she even a heterosexual? As an example, any article on Petra Nemcova would be amiss in not mentioning that she was once engaged, but her fiance was killed in a terrible disaster that killed tens of thousands of other people, and that Petra has been involved in charity work, both before**, and after that disaster, when she has done much to help the people who were hurt by that disaster.

    • before the distrous tsunami, she had donated ALL of the proceeds from a calendar that was made using her photos, to an organization that fights the problem of children with AIDs, mostly in Africa.

Such information indicted that someone is a real person, and not just a tennis-playing automaton. DAW 72.146.34.78 01:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Whether or not she's a good sister would be subjective and have no place in an encyclopedia. As to whether she's involved in charity work, I'm sure most people of note are, and she probably wants world peace as well ;-) If people think she's an automaton just because she's not told them about her private life, then they're stupid. John 10:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Dh03.jpg

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[edit] Ivanović squeaking

I'm not sure the sentence: "She subsequently claimed that Ivanović had been putting her off by squeaking her trainers on the court before serving, a claim which Ivanović disputes" belongs in an encyclopedia, seems rather trivial... I don't want her to be remembered for that! Besides the Ana Ivanović wikipedia article doesn't mention it at alll. If it is important "they" should mention it too! Ana(y)body any thoughts about this? Mariah-Yulia (talk) 01:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname?

Isn't her nickname Dani, atleast that's what alot of fans at [[1]] call her? It it is it should/could be mentioned in the infobox! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I saw some media also call her Danka (such as Fan Sites) But, well, What do I know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirtpig (talk • contribs) 05:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion concerning this article

A discussion that may affect the name or title of this article is ongoing here. Please voice any opinions or concerns on that page. After the discussion concludes, this article may be moved to a different title, in accordance with Wikipedia's Naming Conventions. Thank you, Redux (talk) 05:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The name of this article should be changed to "Daniela Hantuchova" because that is the name used on the English-language websites of the official governing bodies of tennis, the Women's Tennis Association and the International Tennis Federation. That also is the name used on the English-language website of Fed Cup. Finally, that is the name used on the English-language websites of the following Grand Slam mixed doubles tournaments she won: French Open (Roland Garros), Wimbledon, US Open. Tennis expert (talk) 18:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Support. You forgot to mention WP guidelines - Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) -- John (Daytona2 · Talk · Contribs) 15:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Oppose. Wikipedia aspires to higher fidelity and exactness than a sports data base oriented for public consumption and quite possibly, oblivious to the need to be exact, but rather, expedient. Equally well, you might motivate streamlining the content of Wikipedia to include as notable only items mentioned on American sport television, such as ESPN. The funny little symbols under your editing window have been provided for a reason -- please use them. No need to type on the keyboard -- just press and the correct glyph will appear in the article at your cursor. WP guidelines do not advocate impoverishing scholarly rendition of non-English proper knowns, and misguided efforts in that direction will be opposed on their lack of merit. --Mareklug talk 18:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Essentially, your argument is that renaming this article would be just the latest example of English language or American sports television imperialism or impoverishment of scholarly activities? Tennis expert (talk) 07:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
If only that! Dear Tennis expert, where is the reader supposed to learn Ms. Hantuchová's real name, if not in an encyclopedia? They may be completely surprised and gratified to learn this. And, did her fact of playing tennis successfully (she is also a model and rather notable for that, too), give us or some of us the permission to edit her real name? Last names are just that, they last. My own has a diacritic, but, through circumstances of emigration and growing up away from my homeland, it was dropped. In some contexts it gets resurrected. But that is my choice. What is Daniela's? We should not presume to impose it on her. --Mareklug talk 16:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
In your opinion, where can we find a verifiable source for how to spell Hantuchova's surname? This is the whole problem with your argument. You cite nothing. You just say you don't like "Hantuchova." Well, that's not good enough. Tennis expert (talk) 20:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Sheer sophistry, kind sir. When this article was created under its correct title, did you object then, that it is original research? And now you ask me for sources? What are you doing with this sort of parliamentary warring? Surely parliamentary warring must be a blockable offense no less egregious than edit warring... Please don't impute to me what I like and what I don't like. I am here to write an encyclopedia. This implies correct texts. What is your reason for multiplying the bytes? --Mareklug talk 21:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
See this and everything cited there. Tennis expert (talk) 22:03, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Why don't you see this, instead: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/magazinemonitor/how_to_say/rss.xml It's BBC, and they expressly refer to our Daniela and other similarly afflicted by birth tennis-playing subjects of Wikipedia biographies (afflicted: with diacritics). It's BBC, so it's trustworthy, right? And they write the names and tell us how to pronounce them. Surely more valuable lecture. --Mareklug talk 22:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
“ It is important to retain the various diacritics in Czech and Slovak orthography as they represent a particular sound; loss of the appropriate diacritics results in incorrect pronunciations (e.g. Šafářová becomes Safarova, and is often incorrectly pronounced as saff-uh-ROH-vuh, instead of SHAFF-aar-zhov-aa, which is closer to the Czech pronunciation ”

—BBC, "How to say", http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/magazinemonitor/how_to_say/rss.xml
Here's a telling excerpt. I believe it completely invalidates your anti-correct spelling crusade (see quote box). --Mareklug talk 22:22, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
(1) It's neither "anti-correct" nor a "crusade." (2) You've cited a mere blog about how tennis player names should be pronounced on air. A Google search of the BBC website did not reveal even one instance of "Hantuchová" being used except in the blog you cited. Tennis expert (talk) 02:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
You are mistaken as to what I have sourced. This "mere blog", as you put it, is BBC's official RSS service-cum-advice to readers, dispensed in RSS feed form by experts, not something some individual has hosted at BBC servers for purposes of gratifying their personal graphomania. Perhaps you should subscribe to the feed and examine it, instead of letting prejudice fly high based on, I conjecture, seeing "blog" in the the link name. This authoritative information, dispensed by experts in tennis, broadcasting, and language use, is emminently plausible and highly reliable sourcing for article content per WP:VER, WP:NPOV and WP:COMMON. Never mind the human import of what the provided quote says. A non-robot would burn in shame, apologize and desist. Alas, automation-as-modus operandi has its limits, apparently. After you examine the evidence properly to your satisfaction, do be a good sport and kindly withdraw your misleading, false denial that you have not seen "Daniela Hantuchová" used anywhere in a credible tennis-related source, a claim of strikingly inaccurate nature that you have made today in this discussion. Much obliged, best wishes, et cetera. --Mareklug talk 10:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Yet more incivility and assumptions of bad faith from you. When will it end? Here is exactly what I said, and it is the complete truth: "With respect to any person listed above, I am not aware of any source listed for that person as having used diacritics when referring to that person." As for your erroneous description of the BBC blog, see this. Tennis expert (talk) 08:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I find it funny that you protest incivility and assumptions of bad faith from me, when you are incivilly messing with people's good names, intending to corrupt their accurate spelling and doing so in swarm-edit fashion, replicating boilerplate formulaic and, might I add, trite, anti-intellectual and counter to the preservation of human dignity of living, Wikipedia-biographed persons justification, instead of promoting a centralized exchange of Wikipedians' insights and perspectives on this sensitive alteration of status quo in article titling. I read your link. Now read the next one in the sequence. It is a far simpler and more persuassive position on this matter. And now that you are aware of a source "listed for that person", a publication of professional experts on this subject, please augment your statement in question, so that future readers might benefit from a fuller accounting. I would also appeal to you to abandon wikiswarm campaigns now and in the future, as these themselves inherently are uncivil and opportunistic, relying on the inattention of the most qualified editors, instead of seeking to air the matter in a widely attended forum, in order to build a compelling consensus, not just enforce a subculture's preference, or other niche agreement. Surely this will enhance ambient civility! --Mareklug talk 10:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Oppose On similar grounds to Mareklug, and my expressed sentiments elsewhere (mainly at the RM discussion). Orderinchaos 20:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)