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I undid the last change, the format was messed up. Jim Davis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfdavis668 (talk • contribs) 02:04, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but it would be great to have a season score total for all the contestants.. so we could compare performance across seasons -- neodem —Preceding comment was added at 19:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking of listing the cast for season one in alphabetical order, and then listing elimination order separately, then listing the season two cast alphabetically, with the elimination order separate. Does anyone have an objection? --JamesB3 02:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Just so it was easier to tell on the chart when a couple was elimated, I dashed out the score boxes for the weeks after the couple was eliminated. My only question is why are some scores in the table boldfaced? I don't see it explained anywhere. Dwp49423 01:38, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Hosts Need to be De-"Guy"-ized

The hosts of the show, particularly Samantha, say "guys" constantly. And they do so in reference to mixed-gender couples. They also say the word "amazing" constantly. This sort of Gen X speech pattern may be summed up thusly: "Guys, you did amazing. Guys, you look amazing, guys. Well, guys, the guys here danced amazing, so now it is up to you guys at home to vote, guys." Tom and Samantha need to be sent to a speech camp to learn how to speak a few sentences which don't include the words "guys" and "amazing." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.145.224 (talk) 22:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

What does this have to do with anything? Leobold1 (talk) 01:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Season 2 outcome revealed early

It's worth pointing out, but I'm not sure how to work this in, that Stacy's elimination in the final episode revealed the winner at that point. This is because the judges order was { 1st, 2nd, 3rd } = { Drew, Stacy, Jerry }, meaning 3 points for Drew, 2 for Stacy, 1 for Jerry.

There are only six possible viewer vote outcomes. Having Stacy leave ruled out four of them:

{ 1st, 2nd, 3rd } = { Drew, Stacy, Jerry }

{ 1st, 2nd, 3rd } = { Stacy, Jerry, Drew }

{ 1st, 2nd, 3rd } = { Stacy, Drew, Jerry }

None of these happened; Jerry would have left when Stacy did.

{ 1st, 2nd, 3rd } = { Jerry, Stacy, Drew }

This 3-way tie didn't happen; Drew would have left when Stacy did, and the trophy have gone to Jerry.

That leaves only two outcomes, with Drew winning either way:

{ 1st, 2nd, 3rd } = { Jerry, Drew, Stacy }

If this happened, Drew won with 5 points. Jerry 4, Stacy 3.

{ 1st, 2nd, 3rd } = { Drew, Jerry, Stacy }

If this happened, Drew won with 6 points. Jerry 3 with the popular vote, and Stacy 3.

Feel free to use the above for the main article if it helps. Marc W. Abel

[edit] Fan voting

Is it really so surprising or controversial that the fan (viewer) vote has so much latitude on this program? The elimination of Willa Ford wasn't totally unexpected (although it came at a time when she has improved to be of a similar skill level as Joey Lawrence or Mario Lopez, e.g.). She was in the bottom 3/bottom 2 in the first two weeks. I wasn't happy with the elimination, but I don't think it was inherently controversial either. In my opinion, the elimination of Vivica A. Fox previously was more surprising. And also, in my opinion, I am very surprised by Sara Evans' fan base that has kept her out of the bottom two; I haven't even heard of her before this program.

But this is a reality show where viewers have the most power to advance contestants. This is not a professional dance competition or a program like Star Search where judges have the only say. DWTS is in the same vein as So You Think You Can Dance, American Idol and America's Got Talent in viewer voting, but the judges' vote is also taken into consideration. With the new forumla for season 3 (which should be sourced), a 3-point difference between the top score and the bottom (27 and 24, translated to 14.92% and 13.26% in percentages) means that the viewer vote has more power in determining who advances than the judges. I have surmised that people like Willa Ford, Shanna Moakler, and Tucker Carlson, and from season 2 Kenny Mayne, Tatum O'Neal, Giselle Fernandez, and Tia Carrere don't have such a strong fan base as others. But that is my opinion, and I cannot claim that the preceding and the popularity of other stars is a controversy in itself. So to sum up, the DWTS competition is not controlled solely by the judges, and any issues involving viewer voting are to be expected and are not controversial.

All the sections about controversies over voting should be verified and have sources. Otherwise, the sections could be considered original research and may be deleted prudently. I don't want to be the one that has to find sources, nor do I want to delete the sections unless I have to. Tinlinkin 07:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Well what I did now is take out the word "controversy" because that isn't the right word for the situation. I tried to fix that section up. (anonymous). 25 October 2006.

Good thinking! That was such a simple solution. "Controversy" was indeed too strong a word, but the fan influence was present and surprising. The section is now more neutral. Tinlinkin 11:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Voting systems fail at season 3 finals!

I don't know how to "cite" this, but the phone lines were busy last night and I couldn't vote. And all my efforts to vote online produced "server too busy" messages. I've seen some forums to this effect also, for example http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/49464/#comments posted by djdzia. Marc W. Abel 23:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Reality TV Magazine seems to be cover the various controversies pretty well,[1] including the recent TV Guide controversy.[2] If you don't want to bother with footnotes and Wikipedia:Citation templates, you can just use simple inline links. Dancter 23:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

^^^^^^^^It is true what is said above^^^^^^^^ I also tried to call in at 1-800-vote4-07 for mario, but it was busy! They should make sure that its possible to get through. I remember one week I tried 9 times and it was busy. I even waited for a while to see if the business would clear up. Is audiance voting better???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.92.34.166 (talk • contribs) 04:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Since when are busy signals a "controversy???" If they were, then every single weekly American Idol vote of the last five seasons should be considered equally "controversial" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.186.109.106 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you checked the first page I linked to, the issue was said to be more than just busy signals. Dancter 23:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Splits

While I agree with the proposed splits in principle, they should be done so that the main page (this article) provides a good and substantial overview of the series. I don't have the time to commit to this at the moment. Tinlinkin 15:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you would split season 3 on its own and leave the other 2 here. It's no more in depth than the other two. -(anonymous), 18 November 2006

I never said "split season 3 on its own." I supported splitting all the seasons. But I get your point about length. Sure, this reality show won't likely be as detailed a show as So You Think You Can Dance (unless someone really wants it that way), but there is more prose in this article than with the parent article Dancing with the Stars and with the original series Strictly Come Dancing. If I were to split right now, I would immediately split off seasons 2 and 3. But I would also compose some nice summaries in their place. Tinlinkin 06:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I would suggest splitting this article in a different way. Create two separate articles: one for the statistics, and one for the controversy. Bluap 16:10, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Neither of these splits are appropriate, and they do not follow how other TV series are normally split up. The first is a collection of WP:TRIVIA and the second is a non-neutral fork. Tinlinkin 15:57, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Song?

Anybody know the name of the song in the commercials? jengod 00:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Never mind: Le Disko by Shiny Toy Guns. Google-fu is powerful. jengod 00:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Listing

Shouldn't the contestants be listed by first name, not last in the charts. They are never referred to by their last names when their names show up on the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.54.173.181 (talk • contribs)

Yes, but since this is an encyclopedia, encyclopedic tone dictates that using last names is more appropriate. Tinlinkin 18:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Using that strain of logic, Melrose Bickerstaff would be referred to as "Melissa" on the Cycle 7 entry for America's Next Top Model, since that's her given name. The decision over there was made to keep her as "Melrose", because that is how fans identify her. Therefore, we should keep the listings as encyclopedic as possible, but also recognize that it is a popular show and that many people will be visiting the page for that reason. SkittlzAnKomboz 04:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Season 4 phone numbers

Is it OK for me to list the telephone numbers of the Season 4 contestants? Unlike those on American Idol, they do not change from week to week. On the other hand, I feel I need to ask because there are some organized campaigns for the contestants and I do not want to feel responsible for their success or failure. - Desmond Hobson 17:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

It's true the numbers don't change. But per WP:NOT#DIRECTORY, adding phone numbers would be inappropriate for Wikipedia (as if the inclusion of existing trivia and statistical information isn't questionable enough.) Tinlinkin 18:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

What about noting that votes can be cast by visiting the ABC website? SkittlzAnKomboz 20:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

That would be acceptable. Tinlinkin 11:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Season 4, Week 3

Does anyone know who had the "best dance" for this week? It was the jive/tango week, and 4 couples were tied for first, so I was wondering who they chose to dance in the results show... Winner4600 17:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

It was Joey and Kym's tango. SkittlzAnKomboz 20:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Viennese Waltz

I don't recall seeing a Viennese Waltz competed on this show ever. I've watched since Season 2. Anyone know of one? If not, it should be removed from the list of the dances which are competed. Marc W. Abel 02:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm almost positive there was one season where the group waltz was a Viennese Waltz. I have all the seasons on tape - I'm a dancer and love this show - so I'll check my tapes and get back to you... SkittlzAnKomboz 04:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

It was once only in the U.S.: the second season as a group dance, but don't remember which week. It's probably the week before the first time contestants perform two dances. ABC lists the Viennesse Waltz as one of its dances, but I'll support the removal of VW as a regular dance. Tinlinkin 11:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Master P's "Low Scores"

I'm not familiar enough with tables to edit this, but the two "Lowest scores ever" that Master P received should be swapped if they are to follow the weekly order, like the rest of the entries. I would do it myself, but like I said I'm really bad at working the tables. =P SkittlzAnKomboz 04:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Fixed, but it could have been viewed by the original author as lowest to highest by season. Tinlinkin 11:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prize money?

Is there a monetary amount that these celebs receive if they win the competition, or just for being in it? Either to their favorite charity, or to themselves for the endless hours of work each week? I can't seem to find any info anywhere on whether money is involved.Sithboy 03:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can recall, no monetary grand prize has ever been mentioned on the show, just the prize of the "mirrorball trophy". Tinlinkin 05:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Video game?

I saw that a video game is coming for PlayStation 2 (November 13, 2007). Does any have additional information and should it get a separate article or be part of the main article on the show? best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:15, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

For the Wii too. [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahanga (talk • contribs) 00:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Dancing logo usa.jpg

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[edit] Vandal

Under Season 5, a vandal put Mel B and Maks for winning.

Took it out.-yoshirox10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.36.234 (talk) 01:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contestants Names on Overview Section

Someone apparently messed up the season overview sectin. When you look at he contestants names you see, for example, "JERRY SPRINGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!" OR John O'Hurley O'Hurley O'hurley.

It was just something I noticed, can it pleased be fixed? I would do it but I don't know how to.

[edit] MORE INFO TO ADD

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADD THIS INFO INTO THE RATINGS CHART:

SEASON 5 AVERAGED 21.58 MILLION VIEWERS. THE DANCE SEASON FINALE HAD 24.234 MILLION VIEWERS. THE RESULTS SHOW FINALE HAD 24.875 MILLION VIEWERS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.233.61 (talk) 18:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

please hit your 'capslock' key. typing in all-caps constitutes shouting. there are numerous resources here on WP for learning how to make edits correctly. please use them. first stop: the 'help' link immediately to the left. thank you. Anastrophe (talk) 19:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

i didn't mean to appear to be shouting. i was just asking. i know that you click the edit thing at the top and then edit the page, but the chart is very confusing and i just want to add that info to the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.233.61 (talk) 19:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

that's fine -no worries. what i'd recommend is to simply spend some time reviewing how the existing chart is laid out. often times simply cut&pasting the previous block of lines can be used to generate a duplicate line, which you can then edit. but the best part of the editing is to use the "show preview" button - that way, you can test and adjust and try things out - then see how they look before actually publishing them. i do this fairly frequently actually. alternatively, you can copy the chart from the edit page, then create a sandbox page and experiment there. oh, i should add - no, i don't know offhand how to add the info to the chart either! but the best way for you to learn is by experimenting. maybe one day you'll teach me how to do it. one last bit of advice - if you add four tildes after your talk page comments ( ~~~~ ) it will be converted into a 'signature' of sorts for your comments. better yet, sign up for an account. good luck. Anastrophe (talk) 20:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SIMILARITIES THROUGHOUT THE SEASONS

why was this section removed?

"Similarities Throughout the Seasons Retired athletes: Holyfield in Season 1, Rice in Season 2, and Smith in Season 3. Ex boy band members: McIntyre in Season 1, Lachey in Season 2, and Fatone in Season 4. Models: Hunter in Season 1, Carerre in Season 2, Moakler in Season 3, Porizkova in Season 4, Finnessey in Season 4, Maran in Season 5, and Reed in Season 5. (Note: Maran and Reed were both members of Season 5, and eliminated first and second, respectively. The same is the case with Porizkova and Finnessey, respectively.) Soap Stars: Monaco in Season 1, Rinna in Season 2, and Mathison in Season 5. Older Men: O'Hurley in Season 1, Hamilton in Season 2, Springer in Season 3, Ratzenberger in Season 4, and Newton in Season 5. Girl band members: Bryan in Season 5 and Brown in Season 5. Sports members: Kiebler in Season 2, Ali in Season 4, Ohno in Season 4 and Castroneves in Season 5. Disney Channel stars: Coleman in Season 3, Cyrus in Season 4, and Bryan in Season 5."

you can cite the cast members. if listing the cast member without citation is not allowed, then how come the cast members are listed in the individual seasons' pages? there's just some things you can't cite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.233.61 (talk) 22:34, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

it's unencyclopedic trivia. Anastrophe (talk) 00:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

This user 24.90.233.61 just seems to be a trouble maker he or she has been blocked numerous times because of nonconstructive edits, see User talk:24.90.233.61 Jeanenawhitney (talk) 19:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relationships

Would someone quit removing information from the section. The information regarding professional dancer Cheryl Burke and Matthew Lawrence is referenced and they are in fact a couple of one year and it is related to the show cause she danced the same season his brother participated and they also do the tour together which is when they were hooked up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Woobears (talk • contribs) 05:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia is not a fansite. this is trivia unrelated to the show. it doesn't matter if it's sourced, it's unencyclopedic. put it in the associated articles for the persons in question, it does not belong in this article. this is a matter of WP policy. Anastrophe (talk) 07:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

this entire article can be debateably considered unencyclopedic trivia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.233.61 (talk) 23:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Perfect ten tables

Sorting algorithms don't support tables with spanned rows/columns. Samer (talk) 20:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stars giving back to the show

Should there be a part on the stars that give back to the show? Drew Lachey's helped host and done 2 pro dances, Kenny Mayne and Jerry Rice do DanceCenter, Cameron Mathison did a "Man on the Street" interview, Lisa Rinna helped with the announcement of the newest stars, and many more. Leobold1 (talk) 01:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Change of colours for scoring tables

There's been some talk at Dancing with the Stars (U.S. season 6)‎ about potentially changing the colours of the tables, to make it clearer and for there to be less of a clash. Now seems like a good time to change things as we're in between seasons and the articles are stable. Here's my recommendation which I put on that talk page but thought I'd bring it here too. Feel free to make your own recommendations... I'm happy to make the changes to all six articles when something is agreed on. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 02:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My colour change recommendation

Using the medal standard for 1st/2nd/3rd and clearer colour choices for the rest. I've also cleared up a lot of bad table syntax (why did all these DWTS tables contain a mix of wiki syntax & html? I've cleared out most of the html).

Red numbers indicate the couples with the lowest score for each week.

Green numbers indicate the couples with the highest score for each week.

indicates the couple that was chosen to perform the encore performance.

indicates the couples eliminated that week.

indicates the returning couple that finished in the bottom two.

indicates the last couple(s) to be told they would remain in the competition (according to Bergeron, they may or may not have been in the bottom two).

indicates the winning couple.

indicates the runner-up couple.

indicates the third-place couple.

Team	Place	1	2	1+2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
Kristi & Mark	1	27	27	54	27	29	29	30	26+28=54	29+26=55	29+28=57	30+30+30=90
Jason & Edyta	2	22	27	49	23	29	27	24	29+26=55	29+23=52	28+27=55	24+27+30=81
Cristián & Cheryl	3	21	20	41	25	26	23	27	25+21=46	28+29=57	27+29=56	26+26=52
Marissa & Tony	4	18	21	39	19	24	24	26	27+25=52	25+25=50	26+26=52
Mario & Karina	5	24	26	50	21	24	27	28	24+27=51	27+26=53
Shannon & Derek	6	21	24	45	24	28	23	24	27+24=51
Marlee & Fabian	7	22	24	46	21	24	22	21
Priscilla & Louis	8	24	21	45	26	22	21
Adam & Julianne	9	15	19	34	21	19
Steve & Anna	10	18	16	34	21
Penn & Kym	11	16	17	33
Monica & Jonathan	11	15	15	30

[edit] What's with all the analysis?

Is there a real reason for all the analysis? Perfect 30's is one thing, that spans the entire show. But then it degenerates into a list of dances that have scored 10's, while moderately important there is enough 10's to go around. Then it just gets silly with lists of "Lowest Score", "Best and Worst Score By Dance", "Best and Worst Score by Week", Oldest celeb, Most Bottom 2, and the goofyness goes on and on. As mentioned above, this is not a fan site. This is for information regarding the show, not worthless analysis of how many times a celebrity sweats. I'm gonna give it some time for rebut, then I'm gonna get bold and start cutting. Padillah (talk) 13:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree... have at it! PageantUpdater talk • contribs 00:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree wholeheartedly as well. This is unreferenced original research with no indication of where the stats come from nor any support for its validity. It's a mess and it needs to be removed. I've tagged the section already. Wildhartlivie (talk) 14:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

That's it! It's gone. The Perfect 30 list is getting close to being spun-off or deleted altogether. With 43 entries (and at least one in every season) thus far it's not as difficult as it once seemed. Padillah (talk) 04:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

It is much improved, and it cut 19kb from the size, over a third of the article taken up by what is just basically original research and factoid manipulation. Bravo! I knew it had to go when I removed the latest stat addition: Most shocking elimination. Sheesh. Wildhartlivie (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Best and Worst Scoring Performances by Week

The finalists have all done three dances in each final, however season 6's total out of 90 is the only 3 dance total included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.162.170 (talk) 00:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tour

Can someone fix the tour section? I dont' understand..."Drew Lachey will Meets the Tour..." Small5th (talk) 04:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)