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[edit] Madona video clip

I am not 100% sure of it but it seems that the game appear behind Madona in her latest video clip. Maybe worst adding to the page?


It was definately in the video for "Hung Up" in the album "Confessions on a Dance Floor".
However, she didn't really play the game, it was more of a prop to dance around.
Mezzaninex 23:40, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Release dates

Are the current release dates posted correct? I see that the Japanese release date was recently changed so now the article shows that the game came out in the U.S. before it did in Japan, which I find difficult to believe. Are there any sources for these dates? --TheKoG 20:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DDR supernova

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I am gathering comments on whether it should be included in the DDR game list. please comment. SYSS Mouse 04:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

previous discussions

I added Dance Dance Revolution: Super Nova to the North American section per the annoucement on DDR Freak. I put a release date of unknown since we don't know, but it's probably going to be 2006 as they're talking about location testing already. Lightdarkness 21:19, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I do not think DDR Supernova should be included in the list at this time. Based on the information that was released, the game is not sanctioned by Konami. As this article (implictly) refers to Konami DDR games, Supernova should not be included in the list at this time unless further detail is available. SYSS Mouse 03:59, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Quotes from the second page of the DDRFreak thread state "Konami's developing it, but Betson's distributing it", and "Betson is Konami's official American Distributor. Konami will be designing this, Betson will distribute it". This is likely true, since Konami of America shut down their North American arcade division some time ago. --Poiuyt Man talk 16:22, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
It seems that as of today, January 25, 2006, Konami has officially announced Dance Dance Revolution: SuperNOVA for the arcades [2]. From what the press release says, they are planning to include over 300 songs, link mode which allows players to save their stats and edit steps (a set of user-defined steps for a particular song in the game, a very popular feature within the Japanese versions of the game) to a memory device (probably either a PS2 or Xbox memory card or both seeing that there are current domestic home mixes released for those home consoles) probably using the "Edit Mode" feature inclued in the current home mixes and will be a permanent fixture in future American home mixes, and most importantly, a new graphics engine, which is only possible by a hardware upgrade.
Also, DDR Freak reports of a keynote address given today at Konami Gamers Day in San Francisco by Yoshihiko Ota, Executive Producer of Dance Dance Revolution, stating the worldwide release schedule of the arcade mix: America will get it this spring, followed by Europe, and finally Japan [3]. In other words, the arcade mix will be the same for all releases. Finally, there is also an offical website for Dance Dance Revolution: SuperNOVA which launched today. I strongly believe that this should be suffice in updating this Wiki so that it includes information on SuperNOVA.--TheLegendOfZaku0079 04:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DDR step technique mislabeled

In the section "songs and difficulty levels", the article lists the Sidestream as a type of step skill. It is a step combo such as Left-Down-Right, where the left and right steps are hit with the same foot. I have never heard of it called a 'sidestream' before in my life; I've exclusively heard people refer to this step as a 'crossover' (seeing that your foot should cross over to the opposite side of the pad if performed properly). Can any other DDR players confirm this, or is it possible that the term "crossover" is just a localized term from my reigon (northeast US)?

I agree. I have always used the terms "Crossover" (for a pattern such as RDL, alternating feet) and "Candle" (for a pattern such as ULD, alternating feet, where your foot crosses the center square), and rarely, if ever have I heard the term "Sidestream." I have changed the article to define these two terms in the stead of Sidestream, feel free to clarify my edit even further if you like! --Rahzel 16:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Popular Culture Section is Bloated

The "In Popular Culture" section of this page is getting too long. We don't have room for everyone's favorite DDR television reference, movie quote, or whatever. I think that this section either needs to be deleted entirely (under the reasoning that DDR is becoming more and more popular culture itself) or streamlined to include just a few notable pop culture references. Please reply with your thoughts. Regards, Rahzel 18:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I am still awaiting thoughts on this. In the meantime, I don't think we should add any more items to this section unless they are extremely noteworthy--we don't need every single pop culture reference in this section. --Rahzel 18:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm personally a bit of an inclusionist, but as per WP:NOT I think you make a very good case for trimming it down at the very least. (In other words, If I Were King(TM) we'd keep the list -- but I'm not King, and I don't write the checks for Wikipedia, and by my interpretation of the rules, this would be an indiscriminate list of information and therefore not appropriate for Wikipedia -- so I concur and vote to trim down the list. --Jaysweet 19:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Suggestion rather than have "pop culture references", why not rewrite the entire section as prose exploring "influence on popular culutre". We seem to have enough details to warrent such a section. LinaMishima 20:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
That is a fantabulous idea. I'll do it if I have time in the next few days. --Rahzel 06:10, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I have sort of done this. I have re-written this section to eliminate some of the unnecessary details, and (more importantly) to get rid of the list of "pop culture references" that keeps getting more and more bloated. I think that this prose-paragraphencapsulates the main idea of what that section should be getting across, without the fanboy-isms. Rahzel 21:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, no one has done this. Is it going to happen? Over half the references have been deleted! Who picks and chooses which ones are more valid than others? --204.246.229.153 16:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

"An interesting website is the popular Flash Flash Revolution. Rather than using a dance mat, the player uses the up, down, left and right controls on the keyboard. The game also gives the user the ability to control how they see the arrows, rather than just the traditional arrows at the top of the screen, they can be viewed from all sides of the field, allowing for an endless array of ways to play." This should be deleted as it is an obvious advertisement and cruft.--71.30.248.202 22:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

This section is still getting lots of bloat periodically. I propose that it be completely removed from the article, since it really doesn't add any content, aside from the Billy Matsumoto bit. Thoughts? Rahzel 03:14, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doubles?

There is no mention of doubles play in the article.

Doubles expands the gameplay from the 4 arrows on one pad to all 8 arrows on both pads. Generally, doubles is reserved for more advanced players or those who are looking for a more challenging experience. Many freestyle players expand from singles to doubles in order to allow for more freedom of movement. Casual players avoid doubles because of the difficult learning curve and higher cost (generally twice) at arcades.

Technique and style should also be discussed.

You know, you are quite right! I can't believe I didn't spot this problem last time I looked in here - and I'm almost exclusively a doubles player! LinaMishima 16:57, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

--67.68.161.124 23:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)Д67.68.161.124 23:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)samuel

[edit] FFR

Flash Flash Revolution is probably the most popular DDR simulator. Dance with Intensity is completely obsolete and is nearly impossible to find, Pydance is used by literally no one in the DDR simulation community, and Text Text Revolution is laughable. The only simulators really even worth mentioning are Stepmania and FFR. Stepmania for serious players and FFR for casual players, as well as some serious players. Why is it that certain people want to erase it from Wikipedia while other jokes are allowed to remain? Afrobean 21:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

  • 100% agreed. - Chardish 02:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

While removing the terrible simulators from the article is perfectly acceptable in my eyes (as they really aren't commonplace at all), FFR deserves to be mentioned due to it's large fanbase, if nothing else. FFR definitely has more appeal to the average person than Stepmania due to it's ease of play (ie it's browser based, so no downloads are required), and I sincerely doubt that as many people play Stepmania as FFR. Afrobean 13:44, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I have played both, and I agree that StepMania and FFR are probably the only two worth mentioning. However, I was extremely dissatisfied with FFR as a simulator due to its horrific timing with most songs, the incorrect arrow colors, the extremely strange life bar, and the way it counts extra steps (most commonly known as ghost stepping) as misses. These are quite different from the way the real DDR functions. StepMania emulates the real thing much better.

Definitely keep StepMania. I couldn't really care much for FFR. Anything else could likely be left out.24.8.119.8 22:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm all for SM and FFR, but then again the simple fact that others exist tells that they at least deserve a mention. And FFR is extremely iffy on almost everything... but it's a low-brow flash applet, what can you expect? =D ÷ ¿Daisen¡i? ÷ 15:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


For the record, it is, for all points and purposes impossible to dance using FFR: sure a pad can be rigged up using Joy2Key, but the game penalizes you for tapping off note (similar to IIDX and Guitar Hero.) It really functions as nothing more than a 4 key keyboard mash game, as opposed to a DDR simulator: it just uses the same keyboard play concept allowed by DWI and SM. DWI is far more worth mentioning than FFR, under this logic, simply because its whole existence was to simulate the gameplay as a whole, a goal which FFR just does not even do: Again, it seems to be nothing more than keyboard mashing in a DDR style. I do not mean any insult or such to FFR by this, I am just trying to say when you look at it, it is honestly not a real simulator to me. Popularity does not make it something it is not. KurisuYamato (talk) 13:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DDR the movie

on imdbpro there is aparently info about a ddr movie. i do not have a pro account, so i cannot see any info on this,though it appears to have a trailer and some movie info. if any one has a pro acocunt it would be super awsome to give a small amount of info about this. also in yahoo espania there is some kinda trailer for a movie about people doing ddr that was released in spain. it also has a imdb page. i dont think it was mentioned in the article. http://imdb.com/title/tt0893400/maindetails http://imdb.com/title/tt0807006/ Owenlars2 05:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

This movie is mentioned in the article, under the In Popular Culture section. Regards, Rahzel 22:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article needs more info on the music

I love the music. It's definately a unique style, but I dont know what to call it other than DDR music. It a happy bubblegum techno. I hate most techno. DDR is more of a cheery songs remixed/speeded up to a techno beat. I checked the Happy Hardcore article, doesn't mention DDR, but it seems to be a similar genre. Does the style have a name other than 'DDR Music?' Article doesn't even seem to mention the music style, even though if you heard the style you'd say it was DDRish.

Me again. I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bemani_musicians Seems its not a genre, but one group of musicians that I like so much.

If I'm not mistaken, the term for music like 'Butterfly' is Happy House. I've only heard one or two songs in DDR that could really qualify as Hardcore (Namely FAXX, I think...), though. Hope that helps~ 24.13.93.171 20:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry >< It appears as if the article for the genre itself has gone away @_@ It's essentially house music with a strong Happy Hardcore influence. 24.13.93.171 20:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation?

At the beginning of the article, it says "For other uses, see German Democratic Republic." Why is that? I would understand if DDR redirected here, but DDR is a disambiguation page itself. It seems unnecessary to me, since nobody's going to type in "Dance Dance Revolution" if they're looking for the German Democratic Republic. However, I don't want to edit it out if there's a good reason to have it there. Thoughts? アンジェリーク★Angelique 22:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree completely~ I changed the 'For other uses' box to the disambiguation page, since it seems to make a bit more sense than just the German Democratic Republic. 24.13.93.171 21:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with references

I noticed that the first item listed in the references section is the Wikipedia article on beatmania IIDX, and the place where this citation occurs is the section on Japanese arcade releases. This is a problem because Wikipedia is obviously not a reliable source for itself. I'm not sure exactly how to deal with this problem (maybe {{fact}}?), so I am posting here to get some input. Thank you. 70.176.124.200 19:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

To clarify: The problem was a <ref> tag used to link within Wikipedia, which is inadvisable. When I said "Wikipedia is not a reliable source for itself," I was alluding to WP:RSEX#Use of electronic or online sources and WP:NOR#Citing oneself. I have replaced the <ref> tag with the corresponding wikilink. 70.176.124.200 21:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I already fixed this. Please disregard the inquiry. Thank you. 70.176.124.200 01:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
The correct essay page that explains this situation is Wikipedia:Don't use internal sources for verification. 70.176.124.200 06:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


Tournaments?

I didn't see any information talking about tournaments (as most Anime and Gaming conventions include them). What is the format? Are they based on score or freestyle dance? I have seen some DDR freestyle on youtube in competitive format but the only tournament I've seen was based on score in Expert mode.

Also I was wondering if there were any organisations of note. I mean if DDR is a sport in Norway, is there a group working on making it a sport here? Or organising a league or team format? (Suddenly it is something I want to do or join). SummerOtaku 16:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

DDRBold text neverBold text losesBold text it'sBold text awsomenessBold text —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.66.200.51 (talk) 19:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] exercise

the value of ddr as exercise is a topic of debate in some circles. The article currently states that the calories burned have not been measured, but see this article. Some work here may be in order (I'm not really qualified to do it - perhaps someone with expertise will take it on).

Training and Testing

Int J Sports Med 2002; 23: 125-129

DOI: 10.1055/s-2002-20132


Aerobic Demands of the Dance Simulation Game

B. Tan1, A. R. Aziz1, K. Chua1, K. C. Teh1 1 Sports Medicine and Research Centre, Singapore

Abstract The purpose of this study was to assess the intensity and energy cost of dance simulation in relation to the American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) recommendations on the quantity and quality of exercise for developing and maintaining cardiorespiratory fitness, and to assess its safety. Forty subjects (21 males and 19 females, age 17.5 ± 0.7 years) had their heart rate (HR) and oxygen consumption (V˙O2) measured during maximal treadmill exercise and during a dance simulation game at a self-selected level of difficulty. They were monitored for injuries during and after the study. The results showed a mean HR of 137 beats × min-1 (139 beats × min-1 for males and 136 beats × min-1 for females) and a mean V˙O2 of 24.6 ml × kg-1 × min-1 (25.3 ml × kg-1 × min-1 for males and 23.8 ml × kg-1 × min-1 for females) during the dance simulation game test, with an estimated energy expenditure of 480 W (550 W for males and 410 W for females). The dance intensity only just meets the minimum ACSM guidelines, so dancer-players will need to play for extended periods to improve or maintain cardiorespiratory fitness or to lose weight. No injuries occurred during 201 hours of dance time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brucefulton (talk • contribs) 20:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of DDR releases moved

I have moved the list of DDR game releases to the dedicated article, all information that was unique to this page has been verified for accuracy and merged with new and existing information. The main discussion is at Talk:List of Dance Dance Revolution games. AeronPrometheus (talk) 10:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dancing Stage

Does anyone know the official reason for the name change in the European terrortries? more importantly, is there a cite for it? 81.149.182.210 (talk) 02:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Konami seems to have simply chosen to have the series go by another name in the European Union. No reason, they're weird like that. Probably the same reason why TwinBee from Japan is called RainbowBell in North America. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 18:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Similar games list

Should this be turned into paragraphs, broken off into a seperate article (The "this is partial list" sounds like there's a full list to be found somewhere. There isn't), or deleted and a select few links remain and woven into the paragraphs regarding the subject? I'd like to hear other editor's viewpoint on this. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 04:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

What I'm probably going to do is simply delete it. It's a hacked together list that people seem to add to for the sake of adding. The point regarding similar and clone style games could be perfectly made by linking to a select few of these within prose style paragraphs. The rest would need to pass NOTABILITY to even be worth a mention. If no one objects, I'll make the change in the next few days. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 07:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Overhauled section. Any complaints or does everyone like it better like this? --AeronPrometheus (talk) 06:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)