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[edit] Intro

dance in my definition is not very far from the words used but I would add something little.

Some people think that dance is not hard at all but it is!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dance0960 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

dance is the communication between humans and animals non-verbally by use of body movements.

dance can be for all ages. Just try and you can achieve —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dance0960 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

professionally or ethnically dance is the above only by use of a certain and defined technique.

cannot use a tango dance to express divorce but rather you can use ballet movements to depict strength.

How are ballet, country dances, etc., not "ethnic" dance styles? "Ethnic" doesn't just mean "funny little foreign (person or thing)." -

Montréalais
"Folk dances" could be seen as "ethnic dances" indeed. Ballet dance crosses ethnic boudaries from its very origin.
"Country dances" are formally kind of "folk dance", but the original use of the term, (as well as to a large extent, the modern one) is to oppose to grand dances of high folk, ball dances. A similar opposition is in the term "barn dances" known in the USA.
mikkalai 17 Nov. 2003

"decontextualized pedestrian movement" -- what about wheelchair dancing? -- Tarquin

Added to the List of dances page. Can you write something about it?
mikkalai 17 Nov. 2003

I moved this good example:

<<Fight scenes such as in martial arts films are essentially complex dances in which participants simulate hand to hand combat and need careful choreography to avoid injury.>>

into the choreography page. Besides, martial arts themselves are akin to dancing. What we see in films is actually pantomime, i.e., artistic imitation of real-life activity.

mikkalai 17 Nov. 2003

I added the translation from the Polish page, which has surprisingly little overlap with the English version. Someone who has better than mine command of English please blend these two texts.

By the way, I cannot figure out why the Table of Contents doesn't pop up on the Dance page.

mikkalai 20 Nov. 2003

I removed the rest of the pseudo-historical rambling from the article. This is not original material! This is plagiarized from Project Gutenberg's online publishing of "Questionable Amusements and Worthy Substitutes" by J.M. Judy. The plagiarism is almost word-for-word in most cases, with little attempt to rework the information. You can find the full etext at Project Gutenberg: Questionable Amusements and Worthy Substitutes by J.M. Judy It was originally published by Western Methodist Book Concern in 1904.

The use of this text is not only quite questionable ethically (plagiarism), scholarly (have we learned anything in the last 100 years... like, duh!?), but probably also legally (copyright infringement). Read Chapter IV. DANCING (search for "DANCING" to get there quickly), and find out why dancing ranks along with tobacco, drunkenness, gambling and theatre-going as "Questionable Amusements". Take heart, though, because this very (very, very, very) conservative Christian view believes that reading, social recreation, friendship, travel and home-making are "Worthy Substitutes". Don't take my word for it, read it yourself.

Perhaps someone wants to take a "real" stab at a more scholarly "History of dance". There would certainly be plenty of material.

Sfdan 17:59, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Drawn to this article solely by the fact that the most recent editor was named "Jesus Saves," I found the following passage introducing the history of dance: With the savages the dancers work themselves into a perfect frenzy, into a kind of mental intoxication. But as civilization has advanced dancing has modified its form, becoming more orderly and rhythmical. Kinda POV, no? The biblical stuff was also fairly POV (and still is, for that matter. Now, I know nothing about dance--I do not know how to dance, nor do I know its history--but something is very wrong here. Can someone more knowledgeable take a look. Danny 00:39, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Ya well a lot of people love to dance and it s a lot of fun!!!!!!! : )

I think this page needs refining, some of the information belongs in related articles. The disambiguation should also appear here for clarity. some categorisation of the information of the page would be good too Ohka- 01:15, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] large edit

An explanation:

I have made a large edit to this page in short my reasons are

  • dance is linked in the main page and is also a first port of call for many visitors. The page should be a flagship example of dance content
  • a large number of pages link to dance,
  • each linking page contains information of how it relates that does not need replicating here (this page should be about dance in general)
  • the information on the page was of mixed quality and poorly organised - difficult to read
  • there was a lack of references and external links

I have looked at various Wikipedia:Featured articles whilst putting this together and used my discresion as to how I think it can be applied to this page.

I'm sure that some people may disagree with this edit, but I hope that the majority will find it a positive progression. Ohka- 21:25, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Working on reworking this page

So, with the Dance WikiProject getting underway, this page should become 1- the portal to the entire project, and 2-a GOOD article. My goal would be to work towards featured article status, so with that in mind, I'm going to work on outlining what should be in the article, and trying to analyze each section to see how they are, here. That is, as soon as I have time. :-) Lyellin 08:53, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Structure

Alright, so I see nine different sections currently listed on the page, and my goal right now is to list them, figuring out what needs to be done for each, along with how long each should be, if a change needs to be made.

  1. Lead Section - Should probably be reworked with a goal towards the lead section "ideal".
  2. History of Dance - Perhaps a bit longer? 2-3 paragraphs, with link
  3. Dance and Music - Maybe rework first paragraph, gloss over
  4. Choreography and Notation - Try to improve flow with rest of article
  5. Dance Studies - Clearer descriptions of the various types, maybe a bit of extension
  6. Categories of Dance - I think this needs to be expanded/explained much better
  7. See Also - make it fit better with article? Move into above sections?
  8. Further Reading - No real changes
  9. External links - No real changes

Also, all the redlinks need to be gone through and articles begun to be made for those links.

Lyellin 15:10, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)

  • good list - will work towards this too, I'm not so hot on spelling etc due to my dyslexia but I will try to add what info I think is needed so it can be further worked on and then get making the redlinks blue. I think the page also needs a dancesport / dance as sport section - perhaps this belongs in an explanation of categories.. 桜花 20:42, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
don't worry about spelling/etc. That I am more than willing to do- and is probably more a strength for me than dance knowledge. Good pairing ;) Lyellin 10:58, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)

Sphemusator 08:10, Dec 24, 2005 (EST) I am guilty of a adding a paragraph linking to Thoinot Arbeau re: Orchesography. Since the page seems to be in need of some major rewriting I don't feel too bad about my addition. Could the article "Dance" not be replaced by the Dance portal? The information there seems to be much more comprehensive and better organized.

[edit] What Makes Dance

The following piece removed.

Dance is not only made up of technique, but also of passion. Passion is the main part in dance, if u don't have passion for dancing, you won't be able to dance and express yourself in such a way as if u did have passion. It will make you want to dance, you will be able to feel and express words with your body. In dancing our body is our instrument, such as a paintbrush is for a painter. We use and express our whole body to tell a story. People come out to see a story told, not a bunch of people dancing around with no feel for the music or anything around them. So if you want to dance, you have to love it.

Indeed, something like this must be added here. But unfortunately "as is", this piece is applicable to performance dance only. Mikkalai 04:33, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Studies on dancing and mating

Rutgers has recently released a paper linking dance to "mate quality".[1] It should probably be worked into the article. Oberiko 23:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree dance is a passion especially for me. I look forward into dance, don't you?

[edit] Portal:Dance

Some time ago Portal:Dance has been created. Contributions are highly welcomed. For example, if you have created or heavily modified an article about dancing you can put a note into the section "New or modified articles". Expanding the list of wanted articles is appreciated as well. There is also a section for dancing news. --Roland2 12:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] First dance academie?

Juan Esquivel talks about dance schools in Spain in his 1642 book, that predates the 1661 claim in this article... there is more to dance than ballet. Greg 05:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Troublesome absences and questionable NPOV

Dance is an extremely broad and expansive form and there is a lot of under-represented material on this page. The section on Indian folk dance is a good attempt at broadening the material, however, there is still no section on folk dances from, you know, the rest of the world. the distinction that dance from europe is art is also extremely euro-centric as it suggests that dance from elsewhere is not art. Furthermore, the page, as well as many subsequent dance related pages cite very few references and contain outdated and unverifiable information. the fact that the dance in canonical Indian literature has equal size as the origins of dance and dancing in music section also is extremely disproportionate. --Samay2 22:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC) *the attempt to add non 'western' forms has seriously damaged this page. rather than attempting to simply add 'missing' info in a slapdash fashion. some attempt should be made to seek expert contributions. -- comment added by Anonymous User:193.61.255.870} 1:55, 17 April 2007

    • Not sure what this means, material on Western & South Asian dance had been on the page for some time, recent edits have attempted to improve this. But there is still more to be done. Paul foord 06:57, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion of "Dance in Europe and North America"

I have considerably expanded this section, based on notes from lectures given by a teacher at the University of Texas. I felt that it was a little scant, shall we say -- considering as how it gave two sentences at the beginning on dance in Europe, mentioned a school from the 1600's in Paris, and then jumped straight to a (very sparse) section on modern dance and the twentieth century, and failed to mention the entire history of ballet in Europe. If anyone would like to look over the expansions I have made, and perhaps make needed adjustments, I would greatly appreciate it. I hope to make edits on the modern dance section soon. Thanks!! Emmegan 20:55, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ballet History Now Included

I have read the information about the history of ballet and total agree with what has been added, I do have to agree that it was rather lacking before hand!!

[edit] Categories of dance - placement/removal

This section seems misplaced - it should either be removed or edited and placed closer to the top. I am thinking of removing it Paul foord 13:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Complete Rethink is Required

The introductory definition found under 'Dance' lacks rigour and exactitude.

The definition as presented on the actual page allows military marches to be considered dance, allows spastic epileptic gesticulation during a church organ recital to be considered dance, allows martial arts to be considered dance, allows walking to work to be considered dance, allows shaking one's hand to be considered dance; in short everything is dance; therefore nothing is dance.

Perhaps this stems from an incorrect notion of the difference between art and expression and the Dance teacher's customary reliance on disseminating the art of Dance, using strictly oral means.

The definition of Dance by Pierre Conté remains the most rigorous:

Dance is emotional, thematic and cyclical action by means of gesture and locomotion, measured in time, yet breaking with the constancy of normal habits, manners and behaviours[1]; with the intent of obtaining either a maximum intensity in the same expression, or a succession of intense expressions (see condensation of expression).

What is more, for millennia, the notion of Dance is intimately linked to the notion of Music; Dance finds itself in full expressive agreement in time with Music.

The two arts are twins. They tend to the same emotion at the same instant. They share the same goal and, almost, the same means[2]. They are both dynamic arts (that is to say using both kinematics and statics)

[1] Normal manners and behaviours are walking, running, jumping etc… "Normal" [2] Three out of four factors are common to both. Nuance, accent, time. See our work : “La Technique générale” and further, the definition of music.

This definition is extracted and translated from the work of Pierre Conté called, "La danse et ses lois", Paris, 1952, various re-editions since.

I propose that the entry be significantly reworked to incorporate Conté's theories. DANCING IS WAY HARDER THAN CHEERLEADING. Just thought I would make myself clear.=] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.238.135.242 (talk) 04:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please add oc:Dança

Please add the link to the Occitan Wikipedia=> oc:Dança - Thank you You're welcomwoc:user:Joao Xavier

[edit] Arranged

I have arranged the article a little and linked main to List of basic dance topics at near top. This should navigate the readers properly. Comments welcome, Skeleton m 06:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD The Blateric

Sirs, I need help to stop an article being deleted! The Blatric is a new dance craze that is hitting the Edinburgh, UK dance scene. We need help in keeping this article. Please can anyone help by adding to the discussion on that page. This is has several hundreds of followers in Edinburgh, we need help! Even though this dance is still fairly new it could be the next form of Krumping for all you know! Theblatric (talk) 18:11, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Integrated/mixed ability dance

Is there any thought of adding a section (or even whole new article) on "integrated dance" or "mixed ability dance"?

Integrated dance: "movement and dance to craft performances which celebrate individuality and increase awareness of the creativity of people with learning or physical disabilities" http://www.britishcouncil.org/arts-acd-directory-idc.htm

There seem to be 30 integrated dance organisations in the USA alone http://nadc.ucla.edu/dance.cfm.

Matt (talk) 00:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)