Talk:Dan Schneider (writer)

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This article was nominated for deletion on 2007-03-09. The result of the discussion was keep.

[edit] "Personal Attacks"

I note that the changes I made were deleted wholesale as personal attacks. However, the changes were strictly limited to documented statements from the articles already linked from here, and they are 100% necessary to understanding the subject. The previous entry reads as if it was written by the man's publicist. The external articles about him make it clear that he is known as a (comment deleted per WP:BLP) and agent provocateur, not as a writer, critic, etc. The article on him needs to reflect that fact. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.70.208.49 (talk) 13:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

WP:BLP has extremely strong standards with regards to living people. Your description of the subject using an dismissive term (both in the article and on this talk page) is a personal attack. As for your other comments, almost all of them are POV. --Alabamaboy 14:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Fine, leave out the "crank" wording--my apologies for using it. I'd like to know why all of my documented, footnoted items, which are necessary to an understanding of why the subject is known, were considered "POV," especially when there are numerous POV items in there now, including one that I deleted but was restored. This is a controversial figure, and the opposition POV, which does not regard him as a serious critic, is simply not represented at this point. I've added an "Unbalanced" tag to express my concern.

Thank you for apologizing. Please avoid personal attacks here in the future. With regards to your other edits, you stated that he was known for "provocative claims" yet the citation for that POV was to Schneider's Whitman comment; to claim that the statement is provocative, you must provide a reference to someone saying that its provocative (not that I'm saying the Whitman comment isn't provocative--in my opinion, it is--but to state that at Wikipedia we must have a citation to such). Your comment about the poetry group having "ongoing difficulties in attracting or maintaining membership, especially women" is a misreading of one of Schneider's own statements. The statement "on his numerous instances of deliberately disruptive behavior" is also not cited.

I have no problem with bringing in more info on Schneider's controversial side and other peoples views of him. But b/c we have to follow WP:BLP, these need to be extremely well cited. Feel free to edit in the issues you wish to raise. Just avoid personal attacks and provide citations for any opinion-based edits. Best, --Alabamaboy 00:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)