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Dan Dare was run in The Eagle in several periods 1950-1967 (the original series), 1968-1969 (reprints), 1982-1986 (about the grandson of Dan Dare), 1987-1990 (change to more space opera), 1990-1993 (back to the original concept) and in 2000 A.D. 1977-1981 (an 1970s Dan Dare very different from the original).

This sentence reads a bit garbled to me. And surely the Eagle was long finished by 1982- it was definately not around by 1990-1993. Is the author of this passage refering to the 2000 AD version of Dan dare for these later dates? Even in that case I'm pretty sure that 2000 AD had dropped Dan Dare long before the 1990s... quercus robur 20:04, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on eiher Dan Dare or UK comics. I just had some information about that the comic was running, but I don't know where it was run. Sorry about that. The article was originally published in Swedish in my fanzine. // Liftarn

Ok, I checked and it appears The Eagle did reappear in the 1980s-1990s. // Liftarn

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[edit] Characters inspired by Dan Dare

Daibhid C added mention of the Dan Dare-ish character in the Doctor Who novel The Dying Days. Would it be appropriate to provide a link to the BBC's ebook of that novel, or is the connection too tangential? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:21, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Illustrations

Neither current illustration properly shows the original Eagle version. (The annual art never lived up to the best of the comic.) Can we find something better ? -- Beardo 22:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I had assumed that this was because of copyright restrictions. I believe that somebody has bought up copyright on the original (character or artwork? - I'm not sure). I'll make enquiries. -- Agendum 23:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

From what I recall ALL Dan Dare artwork, characters &c. are now vested in the "Dan Dare Corporation". So technically anything which goes up would be in violation of copyright. -- Harlsbottom 01:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Does that only apply to drawings of Dan Dare published in Eagle? Would it also apply to black and white line drawings done by Frank Hampson of his most famous character, but never published? In other words, what do the so-called "Dan Dare Corporation" actually own? Agendum 23:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted edits dated 31 January 2007 claiming that Gerald Palmer was an artist in the Frank Hampson studio. There is no evidence to support this, and the link leads to a disambiguation page which refers to two other individuals. – Agendum (talk) 08:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Frank Bellamy "highpoint - artistically"

As much as I do respect Frank Bellamy's work, I certainly wouldn't call Bellamy's work to be "generally" the high point of the artistic evolution of the strip. Will anyone disagree if;

Bellamy's work breathed life into the strip and is generally considered to be a high point in its history, at least artistically.

is removed, or at the very least made less POV? After all, Frank Hampson deservedly got the Yellow Kid, and Bellamy did not, which says more for Bellamy's style than for the substance. -- Harlsbottom 14:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

No disagreement here. He was a great comic strip illustrator, but the quotation above exaggurates his contribution to Dan Dare. Agendum 15:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comments on the Article

This is my personal opinion from my knowledge of both Wikipedia and the original 50s comic strip;

  • Seeing as the article is not completely about the character Dan Dare, it should be given the title Dan Dare, Pilot of the Future or some other such variation of the masthead title.
  • According to the aforementioned Tintin page, fairly low-res images from a comic strip can be used under U.S. copyright law as fair-use. The Tintin images are being used freely (and George Remi certainly wasn't American), and I can't why the same can't be done for Dan Dare.
  • The 2000AD and 80s Eagle reincarnation should be given their own pages if possible, with Keith Watson's later version given second billing on this page for its similarity to the original strip. Dan Blair and the Grant/Morrison works would be listed as variations.
  • Thanks to Mike Higgs and Alistair Crompton, there is plenty of information which can be cited from their books, both on the characters and the background of the comic strip.
  • Each character should be given a page. I know that there's enough information to make it worth-while.

I am currently away from my Dan Dare collection for the next month, but when I get back from business i intend to make some changes unless someone beats me to it or opposition is great. Feedback would be appreciated. --Harlsbottom 21:06, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I basically agree with all of this, except that I can't really see that expanding the characters section, and giving each character their own page wouldn't be repetition. Perhaps better to give each character their own page but leave the list more or less as it is. And Introducing... A Leg 22:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I have long thought that the Dan Dare article is inadequate, and that the inclusion of later, inferior, incarnations obscured the description of the original. Adding Pilot of the Future to the title may be an answer, although whether all would agree is another matter.
I also have never quite understood why the reproduction of original pictures from the strip has been discontinued - I assumed it was because the copywright on some of these may have been renewed by the so-called Dan Dare Corporation (looke it up on Google). If, so, whether this has any legal standing regarding reproduction is uncertain - I guess Wikipedia will want to err on the side of caution.
As for a new page for each character, imho that may be going over the top. Using Tintin as an example, why not give each a part of the main page and illustrate in a similar manner?
But, in short - go for it! – Agendum 08:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm no expert on Dan Dare at all (I'm more fond of the work of Don Lawrence myself), but I just wanted to say that The Adventures of Tintin is up for Featured Article Review at the moment, and one of the suggestions to keep th FA status would be to shrink the characters section substantially (certainly the minor characters part), and also get rid of a lot of the images. I believe the current version of the page is close(r) to what is needed, but the page as it was on August 5th may not be the best example to follow. Good luck with the article! Fram 08:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Characters inspired by Dan Dare

Someone has just added: "In the Hugo award winning series of books by Lois McMaster Bujold about a young noble Miles Vorkosigan his home district mountains are named Denderii, so are his mercenary troops with whom he spent some years."

It doesn't seem very plausible to me that the name is any more than a coincidence, especially as Ms Bujold is an American and hence unlikely to be aware of Dan Dare. I'm therefore going to flag it as "citation needed". JH 19:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree - and 14 months on, no-one has sourced it, so I will remove it. -- Beardo (talk) 22:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dan Dare - Diffirent Pages for the Different Versions

My understanding is that there are now 6 versions of Dan Dare:

  • The Original (From Eagle 1950 to 1969 & some reprints in Lion and Eagle)
  • The 2000AD Version (1977 to 1980ish)
  • The Version in the New Eagle (from 1982 to 1994) - Yes some of the stories are about the original Dan Dare and draw by an original Dan Dare artist.
  • The Grant Morrison Dan Dare (Revolver & Crisis)
  • The Spaceships Away version (Current)
  • The Virgin Comics Version (Current)

Daryljwright (talk) 17:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Or even 7 - if the two versions in the New Eagle are separated. But I am not sure that separate pages are justified. - Beardo (talk) 22:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Dan Dare game.gif

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gerald Palmer

I have to admit that I have never heard of an artist named Gerald Palmer, and the link goes to a dab page with two differents people. Do we have any more information about him ? -- Beardo (talk) 23:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I have deleted mention of him. See my comments above, under 'Illustrations'. Cheers – Agendum (talk) 19:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Dapon

I just found out that 'dapon' is a Tibetan military rank, i believe equivalent to brigadier. I assume Hampson took the name for his Atlantine sergeant-major from this. I wonder if there are any other Tibetan words lurking about in the Dareverse?

-- Tom Anderson 2008-05-05 1755 +0100 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.64.74 (talk) 16:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aborted 1980s TV series

Surprised to see no mention of ATV's planned series that was a victim of them losing the ITV franchise to Central in 1981, as it got a fair amoutn of coverage in 2000 A.D. both before and after cancellation. Nick Cooper (talk) 19:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)