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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Dan-Air Logo.jpg

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The above comment is now superfluous. Somebody else has already filled in the template as requested (dated June 6, 2007).

Pimpom123 12.40, 8 June 2007 (GMT)

[edit] Reverting to older version

I have re-saved the older version because a) Dan-Air was indeed a major operator of the 1-11 and 748, in the sense that, apart from the Comets, these two aircraft types were operated in larger numbers than any of the other types in its fleet during the airline's most successful period in the 1970s and '80s. b) The wiki links of some of the aircraft types in Dan-Air's historic fleet list are duplicated elsewhere in the article. Furthermore, I am of the opinion that a link to the article dealing with each main aircraft type mentioned in this article is sufficient, rather than linking to each sub-type mentioned herein.

Pimpom123 08.25, 11 June 2007 (GMT)

Just a few comments, the term major operator indicates that they operated one of the biggest fleets compared with other airlines, which can never be true of the 727 with less than a dozen operated. They did operate a number of One Elevens but the fleets of British Airways and British Caledonian for example were far bigger. I have changed the para again as a compromise. The list of aircraft operated was added as this is used in other defunct airline articles to give a quick guidance to readers of the types operated. Perhaps this list should come before the text, as the links in the list are easier to navigate from. Not all aircraft types in the list are mentioned in the text. The article looks like a direct extract from the referenced book (which could have copyright issues), I was just trying to make it more like other articles!. MilborneOne 11:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. The article really looks better now after including your changes. Well done! By the way, regarding your comments that the article looks like an extract from the referenced book, I have actually read the complete book and compared the referenced sections with what the author[s] of this article has/have actually written here. Though I agree that there are similarities, at least he/she/they has/have taken efforts to use their own words, rather than exactly copying word for word. In my opinion the person[s] concerned should at least get some credit for this. Pimpom123 13.32, 11 June 2007 (GMT)
OK understood, I think the large number of citations give the wrong impression, but I accept your check against the book and recognise the hard work involved. On another unconnected point we should really get rid of most of the Facts of Interest section by incorporating the information into the main text. MilborneOne 19:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I actually thought about integrating the 'Facts of Interest' section into the main text a number of times to avoid someone else flagging it up as "trivia" though these are verifiable facts. In my opinion, the best way to do it is to add three more [sub-]sections, which could be entitled 'an overseas base' (dealing with the airline's long-term association with West Berlin), 'industry firsts' (incorporating the fact the the company was the first UK-based commercial airline operator to employ a female captain on its jet fleet among a team of four lady pilots in the mid-'70s) and 'scheduled service developments' (outlining the firm's long-term commitment to build a network of regional scheduled services as well as its subsequent decision to transform itself into a "mainline" scheduled carrier plying trunk routes). However, I haven't yet figured out where to place the fact that Dan-Air changed its policy of exclusively employing female flight attendants only in 1986 (I remember reading an article that their refusal to employ male FAs prior to that time was driven by the Aids scare in those days and the fact that a siginificant proportion of male FAs worldwide have traditionally been gay. But I couldn't recall the title and the date of the publication. Nor did I come across any other related info that could corroborate what I remember reading.) The additional info about the 727s (additional set of emergency doors and stall-warning system on -100s) can be subsumed under the 'aircraft operated' section, the 727-related info specific to the Berlin-based aircraft (additional fuel tanks to increase range) can go into the aforementioned 'overseas base' section. If you've got any alternative, better ideas, then please let me know. Pimpom123 13.42, 12 June 2007 (GMT)
Sounds like a good plan -I will help when I can.MilborneOne 11:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I hope to get started this week-end. Pimpom123 14.14, 13 June 2007 (GMT)

Have begun amending the structure. Will continue working on it later today and during the coming days. Pimpom123 11.07, 16 June 2007 (GMT)

Have now removed the 'Facts of interest' section and incorporated the contents into other relevant sections. Shall spend next couple of days to make the article appear less disjointed. Will also correct some minor factual mistakes and expand on the background where necessary. Pimpom123 10.21, 18 June 2007 (GMT)

Have completed the above task. Expanded the 'Scheduled service development' section to give it coherence and arranged events in chronological order. (Working on this arduous task reminded me why I actually prefer having a 'facts' section at the end of an article. It allows you to quote additional facts that are important in the context of the article randomly, without following any particular order or being compelled to "fill in the gaps".) Have also added an information box including the Dan-Air logo. Have added further references as well to avoid other Wikipedians flagging it up as unreferenced. Pimpom123 13.39, 21 June 2007 (GMT)

Just my opinion but thanks to user Pimpom123 the article now reads a lot better, I still think moving the Facts of Interest was a good move. Well Done. MilborneOne 20:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your acknowledgement of my efforts, user MilborneOne. Pimpom123 07.49, 22 June 2007 (GMT)

Have incorporated a slight change regarding D&N's flotation in the early 1970s. The figure the author[s] of the original article had mentioned [£100,000] looked suspiciously low to me. So I decided to check it using the reference stated. This clearly mentioned that the entire group's market cap was around £5m at the time of flotation. Pimpom123 13.13, 30 June 2007 (GMT)

Have also amended the sentence explaining the "stick pusher" stall protection system after reading up on it in relevant sources. Pimpom123 09.00, 4 July 2007 (GMT)

Have corrected inaccurate info regarding Dan-Air's position as Britian's leading charter airline vis-a-vis Britannia Airways during the late 1980s when the former was ahead of the latter measured by the size of its total aircraft fleet only (by that time Britannia had already overtaken Dan-Air in terms of the number of pax carried, as far as I know). Have also made a minor change to the section dealing with the introduction of Dan-Air's new livery and corporate image from 1980 onwards because that livery first appeared on a Boeing 727-100 (G-BFGN) according to a contemporary article in Flight International (I think the relevant article was published in March 1980). Pimpom123 10.32, 19 September 2007 (GMT)

Have added further amendments (tweaks). Pimpom123 13.53, 20 September 2007 (GMT)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Dan-Air Logo.jpg

Image:Dan-Air Logo.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot 18:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I think this issue has already been sufficiently dealt with on June 6, 2007 (see section bearing same title above) Pimpom123 10.57, 13 September 2007 (GMT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.210.36.140 (talk)

Please refer to latest image template. Pimpom123 13.58, 20 September 2007 (GMT)

[edit] Reference formatting

This article cites many different pages of the same book which makes the footnotes a bit unwieldy. It can be fixed by using named references and the Template:Rp tag. It does take a while to do though. See the Air Europe article for an example (it actually cites the same book). Chris Bainbridge 17:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

You are right, as far as your suggestion for tidying up the references is concerned. However, you are mistaken with regard to the source of most of these references. They are not from the same book as in the Air Europe article. Only the author is the same (Graham Simons, I believe.). Hopefully, someone will find time to do it. Can't do it myself because I am a bit tied up with other work this weekend. Pimpom123 14:10, 27 October 2007 (GMT)
The Air Europe article also cites Simons, Graham M. (1993). The Spirit of Dan-Air. Chris Bainbridge 18:11, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Important Dan-Air milestones

Have made some minor corrections to the sequence in which the annual passenger number milestones were listed after comparing the info in the Wikipedia article with the sources cited. ttd_369 10:55, 28 January 2008 (GMT)

[edit] Scheduled service developments

Have made some minor corrections as well (regarding the launch of the airline's LGW-NCL domestic trunk route in April 1974). Have also referenced this by adding hyperlink to relevant Dan-Air related article archived in flightglobal.com ttd_369 10:58, 29 January 2008 (GMT)