Talk:Damnation
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This article could probably do with some conceptions of the subject by non-Christian religions, as well. Hephaestos
Is it worth mentioning here the fact that to "give a dam(n)" has a double meaning, and perhaps in Gone with The Wind it was meant as "dam" (sometimes spelt damn) the small indian coin. Both uses are of course intended to show a lack of caring - the Dam had a low value, so to not give [even] a dam means you don't care very much...Tompagenet 09:10, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I believe too much space should not be given on what the minor Mormon cult thinks of damnation, even more than what the major religions think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.143.50 (talk) 21:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] "Dammit"
I wonder about the origin of the phrase "Dammit", which seems strangely unlike "Damn" in all but its usage. Is this simply a contraction of "Damn it"/"Let it be damned"? Why then are two "m"s used instead of "mn"? Is this due to the terms evolving seperately, only to be rejoined in modern usage? Or perhaps it was "cleaned up" as it was contracted? Or is there just some rule of contraction I am unaware of, which would justify "mn"->"mm" at the join? --vstarre 17:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it's from a contracted "damnit" that you used to find in comic books, and then morphed to reflect the common pronunciation. 67.103.5.26 19:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Adjective Use
My understanding was that the word in an adjectivial form was conjugated in the past participle. I.e., the correct grammar would have "That damned dog" instead of "That damn dog." 67.103.5.26 19:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
- You're correct. People use bad grammar. Grr at them. -- 12.116.162.162 16:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Use in on webpage about The Grapes of Wrath
- I removed this example because: 1) it was not written in wikipedia style. It said: "This link says...", which violates the wikipedia accessibility guidelines (for people using screen readers and such); and 2) it is redundant, since there are other examples listed of the use of "damning" meaning condemnation by humans. Please assume good faith and don't just do a blanket revert without finding out why. I listed the reason why in my edit summary and someone (I won't say who. You know who you are.) reverted it like it was vandalism. -- 12.116.162.162 17:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
- Restored. I see no reason for readers who can read Adobe Acrobat files being hostage to a minority of readers who cannot. If it was not written in Wikipedia style, rewrite it. It was not used in The Grapes of Wrath, it was used in a web page describing The Grapes of Wrath. Anthony Appleyard 17:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
- 1) Argumentum ad populum. Why should the link be there, soley on the basis of "most people can read an Acrobat file? The basis for keeping it should be "does it add anything to the article." The whole purpose of that link is to show an example of the word "damning" referring to condemnation by humans. Other examples of this are given, so there is no need for another example. So, no, it is not necessary.
- 2) By reverting that edit, you reverted my edit correcting the grammar of "damned" as an adjective.
- 3) Fine. It was used on a webpage describing The Grapes of Wrath. My mistake. My original point still stands that the example I removed is redundant.
- 4) Telling me to rewrite it doesn't solve the issue. I did what I felt in good faith would make the article better and you reverted it. There's no need to rewrite it if I feel it is useless information. Instead of doing blanket reverts, you could possibly take some time to write it better yourself.
- 5) Looking through the history, I see that you are the one that added the link. Why are you so personally protective of that link?
-- 12.116.162.162 20:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
- It is a somewhat different type of usage from the common fixed expression "damning report".
- About reverting the edit "damn" to "damned", sorry.
- So far you have made 219 edits: why not register with a username?
- Anthony Appleyard 04:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, I accept that. I spoke in frustration yesterday and I apologize. As for having a username, I do have one, only I'm on a shared computer at work and it's time-consuming to sign in all the time. (Some of those 219 edits are random edits of co-workers). When I do sign in with my username on discussions like this, I make it clear that my user name and IP are the same to avoid the appearance of sockpuppeting -- 12.116.162.162 17:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Moderate Profanity?
I'm informed by some of my American friends that the word is considered a little more severe over there (particularly in the bible belt) however I don't know if it would be universally regarded as "Moderate" profanity. Should a wikipedia article really reflect the views of the United States or the wider world? Solar Eclipse (talk) 13:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)