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[edit] Merge

This character already has an entry under Ibn al Xu'ffasch, which discusses the various versions of Batman and Talia's son. Perhaps this page should be merged with that one? Rajah1 05:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Damian is Ibn as a child, as the original Son of the Demon is now in contiuity.

Agreed.~ZytheTalk to me! 00:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Agreed! A gx7 05:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge No need to double it up. (Emperor 16:03, 28 August 2007 (UTC))
  • Merge with a caveat... unless there is a citeable ref that the child from "Son of the Demon" is Damon is Ibn, we need to come up with a different article title. Otherwise, going at it trying to make the three into the same character is going to come off a fan-style OR. - J Greb 16:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Do Not Merge Nothing is certain until it appears in the pages of a comic. Ibn was a possible future from The Kingdom. Damian may be a completely different incarnation. Until DC proves it otherwise, they should stay separate. --CmdrClow 06:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
They are separate characters since Kingdom Come is a part of the 52. --CmdrClow 06:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
So? Why should they have separate articles? Real world notability, people.~ZytheTalk to me! 22:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Then why have separate articles for all the incarnations of Supergirl? Because they're different characters. Just as Ibn and Damian are, until an in-continuity story proves otherwise. --CmdrClow 07:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Writing about fiction. Different characters? Irrelevant. Same concept, same thing, their only cultural relevance exists in that Damian is a reintroduction of Ibn's concept.~ZytheTalk to me! 21:19, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
There is still precedent in this particular type of situation. Damian is not named Ibn, he does not exhibit similar characteristsics as him, and those differences, regardless of their one similarity in origin, is enough to differentiate in articles. Reference Ibn in Damian's article, but don't merge them. That will create confusion with some people. --CmdrClow 23:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I think they should be merged, but under the Damian Wayne article, which is the modern continuity of the character, and also have a "Alternate versions" section with info on the Ibn version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.37.71.168 (talk) 03:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

That would be more logical since Damian is a full in-continuity character, where Ibn is not. --CmdrClow (talk) 04:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Do not merge. They're both Batman's son, but they're different characters. --DrBat 18:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

NO MERGE- Batman 666 was able to show a clearly divergant path for the future of Damien Wayne than that of Ibn. Continuity has little matter, in the greater enclopediac context, as it is fluid and changes every few years. Both Ibn and Damien have clearly established pulication histories to date. Only in the advent of Damien to be called in print "Ibn al Xu'ffasch" or "Son of the Bat" as a name or codename (versus referential allussion) should the two be merged. Until that point they are clearly similar, but distinctive characters. Agreed reference, but no merge. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 00:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC).

Do not merge' Damian with Ibn al X, which most people would have a hard time pronouncing, remembering or spelling. If you want to merge, merge Ibn al X with Damian. Das Baz, aka Erudil 00:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Das Baz (talk • contribs) That's a very silly comment by Sinebot. My comments are certainly not "unsigned." Das Baz, aka Erudil 19:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Do Not Merge They are two completely different characters. Merging these articles would make as much sense as merging the articles on Peter Parker and Ben Reilly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.67.75 (talk) 07:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge While the two may have slightly differing background stories, even a cursory glance revelas them to be alternates of the same character. There's no sense in having two articles where one would do. Scanna (talk) 00:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • comment - a the text clearly states that Damien was not carried in womb and his future is clearly different as an adult, there is more than enough source evidence to close this debate. I move that his merge be closed. - 66.109.248.114 (talk) 23:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC).
This appears to be a clear no consensus discussion at this point. It appears to me that the both argument for this discussion (that have spanned the past 1 1/2 years) rest in contrasting views on source content and its impact on these characters. At this point all salient points have been exhausted and should any new points arise the discussion could be resurrect. Until then closed with no consensus. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 02:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Return of Damien

Damien is scheduled to return in Batman #666. DC COMICS SOLICITATIONS FOR MAY 2007. HOWEVER, since comics are notable for changing their minds after releasing solits, we shouldn't put this in the article until the issue is published and released main-stream. Safer. :) -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 19:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

FYI, please see WP:NOT - Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. - This is neither. They've lied to us before :P -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 01:17, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
The May solicitations clearly state that Damien is Batman in the issue. Regardless of the expected release date the content is clearly been identified by the publisher. This is clearly significant as the focuses on the heir/legacy of Bat-man (one of the central themes of this character). Speculation and rumored content are subject to CRYSTAL BALL; however, published issue summary is not. 66.109.248.114
I agree with that however it remains speculation until the issue is published, simply because DC has, multiple times before, changed their minds and re-written things. Thus it's speculation. Standard operating procedure has been to be patient and wait. If you put in anything, it needs to be careful. Check out Wikiproject Comics: Solicitation and promotional material. I'm not saying you're incorrect, I'm saying DC has lied before, and because of that AND because of what Wikipedia is not, we have to be careful. If you have issues with this, take it up with WP:COMIC. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 14:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This is a horrible sentence

He is allegedly the son of Batman and Talia al Ghul, from events similar to those in the previously thought non-canon story Batman: Son of the Demon (although it appears to still be out of continuity).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.140.244.90 (talk • contribs)

Not to mention it's still not clear if Son of the Demon is even in continuity. I mean, they obviously had a fling, and Bruce seems to be opposing the concept they were 'married' (didn't he call it a farce?). Maybe "Damian is the son of Batman and Talia al Ghul, a product of Ras al Ghul's attempt at eugenics. His history is similar to the events of Batman: Son of the Demon." and then let people make their assumptions? -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 13:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Damian is a clone?

Can we be sure that Damian is the child from Son on The Demon?

Is it not possible that Talia was lying to Batman when she suggested that Damian was naturally concieved? Is it not stated in the latest issue of Batman that Damian was grown? Does Ra's not show surprise to hear the boy refer to his having a father?

Have we any confirmation that Damian is the child seen in Son of The Demon? Or is this pure speculation? (which should therefore be removed)

It's been stated he's his son. The writer Grant Morrison has stated as much.
It's possible another writer will retcon it down down the line so Damian is merely a clone, but until then there's nothing to suggest he is. --DrBat 18:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)