Talk:Dakara Superweapon

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Contents 1 Move to Dakara 2 Stargateproject 3 Superweapon? 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Dakara.jpg

[edit] Move to Dakara

i think this page should be moved to 'Dakara'. That would make all links to the place work, and is a more relevent title really, the superweapon being detailed under the article for where it is.--alfakim 13:18, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

I agree, especially as the dakara device isnt actually a weapon, its a device that can be used as a weapon, therefore this pages title is incorrect. --Sencerd 10:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, it's clearly a separate device than the rest of the stuff on the planet and should have it's own page.

Faris b 20:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

True, my problem is less with the article being seperate than the name of the article, it shouldnt be called a superweapon, perhaps rename it to "Dakara Device" or similar? --Sencerd 10:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stargateproject

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[edit] Superweapon?

I was under the impression that the weapon destroyed ALL matter on a planet's surface as stated by Jacob in "Reckoning, pt. 2", why did it only kill living matter and leave their clothes and such behind? Did the Jaffa set it to do especially that then? How did they learn how to program it anyway? It seems only a Goa'uld/Tok'ra could do it. If this is the case, they should have set the weapon to destroy all matter at the end when they fired at the Ori ship, it seems that they were too concentrated on capturing the ship, rather than destroying it which was stupid. How many Jaffa died at Dakara? I think that only the ones in the firing room seeing as how they knew it would destroy all matter so everyone else must have already been evacuated.

It turns out Dakara had a shield which could take several shots from the weapon. If it was an Ancient shield, why did it fail? I thought Ancient shields were impervious to everything, or is that just shields powered by a ZPM?

Faris b 20:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Ancient shields aren't impervious to everything, they are just extremely strong. However, being hit by equally strong weapons will surely deplete the shields. This was specifically stated in "The Siege, Part III" where Atlantis would eventually have been destroyed by the Wraith, even with the shield on. After all, why would the Ancients have submerged the city if their shields were inpenetrable anyway. Maartentje 21:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I thought the issue was the fact that the shield strain depleted the ZPM's quickly, a nearly full ZPM depleted in days; not that the shields would fail, isn't that what McKay said.

Faris b 01:16, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's correct, but anyway, even an Ancient shield can be taken down from the outside, even if it's only because of the depletion of the power source or. Even Ancient shields are therefore not without their limits, after all, there were no Ancients present at Dakara to continuously recharge the power source or something.

And we should remember that the Ori are actually the mortal enemies of the Ancients. Forget the Wraith, they weren't the Ancients' equals and didn't have technology that could match the Ancients'. Before Counterstrike, we had never seen weapons as advanced as the Ancients'/Ori's hit an Ancient shield. Its only logical the Ori would have weapons that could effectively be used against them. Maartentje 18:09, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I thought so but the Ancients could make more ZPM's at any time, I'm assuming it's rather tough to make one otherwise they wouldn't have been investing in Project Arcturus near the end of the war with the Wraith.

Now I know this is just speculation but I'm assuming the Ori shields are only a little better than Ancient shields and it seems that the Ori power source is likely simmilar to Project Acrturus but they actually succeeded in making it work. How else could they power a ship of that size and make it be so powerful? Plus, their main weapon probably requires massive amounts of energy and they have no problem using it all the time.

Faris b 18:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Project Arcturus was only initiated because it generated much more energy then ZPM's, I don't really think they're that difficult to make. However, the small number of ZPM's encountered would indicate that ZPM's were flawed or something, as they were apparently never mass-produced. Maartentje 10:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Flawed? Could be but there doesn't seem to be any problems with the Asurans who have many of them so I don't think this is the case. They're probably just hard to make. Several factors support this, the fact that only a dozen have ever been found, most depleted or near depletion, Project Acrturus, I mean, if they weren't hard to make, you'd think the Ancients wouldn't have a problem making 1 or so every few months after they depleted them from Wraith attacks during their war, it seems they hated doing this. The Asurans have no trouble making them probably because their ZPM's, city ship, jumpers and everything is constructed from nanites, since the Nanites are about the size of atoms, I guess they can configure them into whatever they want and make ZPM's.

Or, it could be that the crystal material that the ZPM appears to be made up of from the outside is a rare material that's difficult to extract/mine/find but that seems unlikely as it seems to be for show and the real inards do all the work.

Faris b 16:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Nanites are about the size of cells, not atoms. It was never stated the Asuran's technology was created from nanites, maybe they construct it with nanites, just like Reese did in "Menace", that would even be plausible because the technologies are supposed to be related. However, construction with nanites still requires the raw material to be present, the nanites just re-order it... (remember how Reese transformed metal scissors into a metal replicator block?) And Project Arcturus wasn't just meant to replace ZPM's, it was meant to surpass it. According to McKay, ZPM's are alkaline batteries compared to Arcturus, that would indicate that ZPM's are not the most powerful power source in the universe at all, and could even use quite a bit of improvement...

Also, the Asurans' City Ship was technologically almost completely identical to Atlantis, which means the Asurans hardly made any technological advancements in the 10,000 years between their creation and discovery by Weir and her team. So just because the Asurans still use ZPM's doesn't mean ZPM's are perfect, maybe the Asurans are extremely bad at innovation and developing new technologies or something, and just kept producing flawed technologies as long as it kept working. Maybe because they weren't programmed with imagination or something, that would even be a very Star Trek-like explanation...

And about the Ancients hating creating ZPM's, at the end of their war with the Wraith, most of the planets had all ready fallen to the Wraith, maybe making it difficult for the Ancients to get to the materials required for making ZPM's, just like germany had difficulties making munition at the end of WW 2, that doesn't mean bullets are hard to produce. According to McKay, Project Arcturus would have changed the outcome of the Ancients' war with the Wraith, which could be interpreted as "after waging a century-long war against the Wraith with a flawed power source, the war would be won in a week with a super-powersource"... or you could be right off course :D Maartentje 18:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Dakara.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)