Talk:Dailies

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Contents 1 Merge suggestion, etc 2 Sources of Information / Original research / Format tone 3 rushes 4 The scope and magnitude of film dailies

[edit] Merge suggestion, etc

I've added the {{merge}} template to this article, as Rushes is an article for essentially the same thing, but a different term for it. I've also added the {{originalresearch}} tag; this article is very wordy but without a single source to its name. I was reluctant to remove any of it as there's a lot of good info there - it just needs to be referenced.

If no-one objects in the next few days I'll merge the two articles, and if I find the time I'll try and tidy up the article in order for it to accord with Wikipedia's guidelines. Nuge talk 19:16, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the merge; don't forget Daily rushes, which is also aboout dailies. So this is actually a three-way merge! :-) Peter S. 15:26, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out Peter, I hadn't spotted it! It's been a good five days or so now and no-one's objected, I'm going to go ahead and merge all three to Dailies, making the other pages redirects. Nuge talk 16:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Done; all pages now merged to this one. Nuge talk 16:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources of Information / Original research / Format tone

In Hollywood, the creation of film dailies has been internal to the motion picture industry. It is done only inside film studios film labs or at post production houses in the LA area. Most of the process is proprietary and, therefore, an industrial trade secret. Therefore, no books to my knowledge have every been written about film dailies. No one has ever been allowed to see the entire process except employees of these firms.

Once the film (and video) dailies are no longer useful, the film dailies are destroyed therefore almost no one outside of the film studios has ever seen real film dailies (either on film or video). Almost all of the dailies available on eBay are second generation or worse. All have been highly modified. Therefore, there is very little reliable information about film dailies.

This is probably why the only company in the world to currently sell video dailies for editing at home or in schools is located in India. (See the Star Movie Shop.) Even these dailies are not in the original format. Instead, they have been modified (window burn with the frame number and take name; inverse telecine, audio resynced, resized, etc.) so the footage can immediately be edited on a Macintosh computer by film students.

Therefore, any article written about film dailies must always contain original research or unverified claims. With so many unknowns, it is almost impossible to write this article in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Robert Elliott December 2006

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[edit] rushes

==Level 1==Film Rushes or Dailies:Purpose Film and Digital rushes are a method to critique the acting, lighting, camera, (focus and coverage),continuity,and analyze story development. It is a time to find technical and creative problems that would necessitate reshooting a scene. It is important to find mistakes, in the dailies, while the film actors, the sets, and the crew are all available. Time and money are saved by watching the daily rushes. All key crew members attend, all eyes on their particular expertise.

cathryn robertson dp and film professor Cfilmcat 21:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

==Level 2==Rushes in public-affairs television - legal defence tool

Dailies / Rushes in public-affairs television. These are usually retained for a significant amount of time post broadcast due to defamation lawsuits. It is usually to satisfy that what was said by the interviewees in these shows was what was to be said and the message of the show's story wasn't changed in the editing room. SimonMackay (talk) 13:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The scope and magnitude of film dailies

It is difficult to describe the scope and magnitude of film dailies.

According to the MPAA in their Research & Statistics department, "The average cost to make and market a major MPAA member company film was $100.3 million in 2006. This includes $65.8 million in negative costs and $34.5 million in marketing costs. (Refer to page 12 of the 2006 U.S. Theatrical Market Statistics Report)"

Much of the negative cost of $65.8 million is the cost or value of the dailies. And that is just for a single motion picture. Wow!Robert Elliott 21:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

That's very inacurate. "Negative costs" in this context mean "everything it takes until the final film is complete on a single negative strip ready for copying and distribution". So, it includes star salaries, employing hundreds of people etc. Cheers. Peter S. 19:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Agree; it's ridiculous to believe that the majority of the costs - even the film stock costs - come from a single set of rush prints when the average studio release has hundreds if not thousands of prints issued domestically (much less abroad). Girolamo Savonarola 23:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

With many films using digital intermediates (all the edits/vfx done digitally), dailies can be done digitally now, so that figure is probably even more inaccurate, no? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.166.155 (talk) 09:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)