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Should a discussion of daggers, poniards, stilettos, and related weapons be placed under "dagger" or "knife"?

Under dagger I think. I just checked poniards and stilettos in the dictionary, and they are described as types of daggers. Knife could probably do with being broadened slightly though in this respect... as the moment it doesn't even link to dagger. fabiform | talk 21:59, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Daggers falling out of favour? 2 Picture 3 Disambiguation Page Needed? 4 Sica 5 We need more in-depth information and an expansion

[edit] Daggers falling out of favour?

During the middle ages daggers never fell out of favour, but rather remained a knight's side arm. In addition, chivalry had little to do with medieval combat, in fact the Codex Wallerstein demonstrates how to castrate someone with their own dagger.

Although it is unlikely that the Dagger truly fell out of favour during the 'Middle Ages' (whatever period is here being referred to), they do somewhat fall out of the visual record during the eleventh and twelfth centuries as weapons carried in addition to Swords. I'm yet to have this satisfactorily explained to me and I'm not inclined to believe that men who could afford a Sword did not also carry a Dagger / Knife, but the visual record is undeniable.--M.J.Stanham 00:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

See: Image talk:Daggers.jpg --Iancarter 23:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Your complete inability to adjust your picture to reality, and your continued refusal to listen to reason is bizzare beyond measure. While you forbid all talk about the bad picture and remove all criticism to another page, you put some defensive mumble jumble after the picture. This is enough... I will delete the picture because you won't listen to reason.

Image removed (again). Again, see Image talk:Daggers.jpg. The picture is blatantly inauthentic and does not help clarify/illustrate the article in anyway. There is a good chunk of writing in the caption, but it provides only general information on all bladed weapons instead of anything specific to daggers, thus there's no great need to be salvaged. Uly 19:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation Page Needed?

At the bottom of the Daggers page is some extraneous text completely unrelated to weapons; rather, it deals with a slang term also known as "dagger" that is not relevant to this page. Here is the passage:

The word "Dagger" is also used as a slang term to indicate something terrible has suddenly occured. This originated from Washington Wizards play-by-play man Steve Buckhantz and gained popularity on websites like Terptown and also on The Junkies Radio Show. Example: "My boss just told me I have to come in on Saturday." "Dagger."

Jim's friend: "I can't believe you let me sleep with that chick when you knew she had the herp." Jim: "Dagger."

Query: Does this alternative meaning of "dagger" more properly belong on a disambiguation page? If so, would someone who knows how to do disambiguation please take the lead and make it happen? I'm too inexperienced to tackle it, so would appreciate your thoughts and possible help. Jack Bethune 18:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Agree: The slang term is not common and should go in Wiktionary not Wikipedia. Case of WP:NOT --Iancarter 22:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Agree: The article is about short, knife-like stabbing weapons. That passage on slang shouldn't be in Wikipedia at all. —vivacissamamente 18:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

for sure delete the second example, there is no reason that wikipedia should reflect the nearly automatically sexual nature of many internet examples (aka, this is not urbandictionary)

I have transferred the slang term to the Dagger disambiguation page, where I've linked the term to its purported popularizer, Steve Buckhantz. If the slang contributor wishes to elaborate on it further, Wikipedia's Buckhantz page appears to be the best place. Thanks. Jack Bethune 15:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sica

I deleted something about "long, narrow knives called sica," as all the references I found on the internet seemed copied from Wikipedia. We had said they were Greek, before Gaius Cornelius left them in incomplete sentence form and dozens of subsequent editors ignored this fragment entirely. If anyone knows anything about sica, please add it, preferably with details. —vivacissamamente 18:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] We need more in-depth information and an expansion

I think that this article does not contain enough information on the dagger. If you're familiar with the sword article, this article should at least be as comprehensive as that article. We need uses, different dagger types, blade types, et cetera. User:VanHelsing 9:00pm, 9/15/2007 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 00:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)