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[edit] Dany has her own page

... as well she should. Though I am generally wary of the proliferation of pages for each and every single character in A Song of Ice and Fire, the mother of dragon certainly deserves her own page. The information for Dany was split over two pages (residing on House Targaryen, whereto I moved it earlier from Aerys Targaryen). There was lots of good stuff there, and I have copied it to this talk page instead of just deleting it. Itneeds to be merged with the current page by some diligent soul. Arbor 16:17, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • If the general consensus (among the three of us, at least) is that Dany deserves her own page, why do we still have that proposed-merge tag on the top? I happen to think she's the most important character in the novels, with Jon Snow second--oh, how interesting, they both have separate pages! But I also realize it'd be difficult to fit them into existing pages. Where would we put Jon? House Stark? A new page for the Night's Watch? Likewise, where would we put Dany, the last scion of a defunct house? She'd dominate House Targaryen's page. So, for reasons of practicality and for plot significance, I like the fact that both of them are stand-alone pages. Now I just have to wait for A Dance with Dragons to come out... Marblespire 23:10, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Since no one seems to be pushing for a merge anymore, and the article is of decent length now, I've removed the merge tag. Brendan 22:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Old Dany section from House Targaryen

Daenerys was Aerys II’s sole surviving daughter, called Daenarys Stormborn, the Unburnt, Khaleesi to Khal Drogo, Mother of Dragons. Had silver-gold hair and purple eyes (GOT, 27). Ser Willem Darry, Master-at-Arms for King’s Landing (SOS, 91) and four loyal men took Daenerys and Viserys from Dragonstone to the Braavosian Coast when it was learned that the garrison was prepared to sell the children to Baratheon forces (GOT, 25).

[edit] Plot

Sold by her brother Viserys to Khal Drogo, son of Bharbo (GOT, 496) and married to the Khal (GOT, 27, 82) becoming the khaleesi. Khal Drogo had a khalasar of 100,000 men (GOT, 94). Served loyally and faithfully by Ser Jorah Mormont, an exiled lord of Bear Island (GOT, various), dubbed Lord Commander of her Queensguard (GOT, 669). He did serve, in secret, Varys, Master of Whispers for a good while (GOT, SOS, 652-653). Mormont fought for the North during Robert’s Rebellion (SOS, 652). She was served by three handmaidens, Doreah, Irri, and Jhiqui (GOT, 85). Doreah died while crossing the great red waste after the death of her husband and birth of her dragons (COK, 145-146). Given three dragon eggs as a wedding gift from Master Illyrio during her wedding feast (GOT, 85). Endured intolerable cruelty by her brother throughout her life. Pregnant at the age of 13 (GOT, 199) with her son, Rhaego, thought to be the Dothraki prophesized “Stallion who Mounts the World“ (GOT, 411). Lost the baby to a miscarriage. (GOT, 631-632) Stood and watched her husband Khal Drogo slaying her brother, Viserys, at Vaes Dothrak (GOT, 417-418). Survived an assassination attempt at Vaes Dothrak’s Western Market (GOT, 493-494). Attempted to hatch one of her dragon eggs after the attempted assassination (GOT, 495). Took great pride in her name and family with sayings such as “The Dragon does not fear”; (GOT, 494). Became a widow when she killed Khal Drogo who was rendered deaf, dumb, and blind by spells invoked by Mirri Maz Durr (GOT, 636). Sacrificed Mirri Maz Durr to bring forth her three dragons from the stone eggs, (GOT, 660). Briefly took her handmaiden Irri as a lover. (SOS, 268) Served by Jhogo, Aggo, Rakharo as members of her Queensguard (COK, 742-743). Lead her khalasar to Qarth wherein she destroyed the House of the Undying with help of her dragon, Drogon. (COK, 317, 531-532) Saved from a second assassination attempt by a Sorrowful Man in Qarth by Ser Barristan Selmy, disguised as Artisan Whitebeard in the service as squire for Fat Belwas. (COK, 664) Gathered Unsullied to her cause and conquered the city of Astapor, freeing its slaves and destroying the ruling slave class (SOS, 314-315). Conquered the City of Yunkai by setting its defenders against each other (487). The Masters of Meereen retreated and fortified the City of Meereen in preparation of Dany’s advance, only stopping long enough to nail one child to a stake for each mile between Yunkai and Meereen. 163 children were killed in this manner (SOS, 640). Fat Belwas defeated the city's champion, Oznak zo Pahl, prior to the city falling to Dany (SOS, 643). Sent Barristan the Bold and Ser Jorah Mormont into Meereen as both a means to victory and a means of punishment (SOS, 653). Took Meereen in a day with “sewer rats and a wooden cock” (SOS, 804). Took 163 Masters of Meereen as justice for the murdered children (SOS, 805). Daenarys’ dragons were Rhaegal, “the green” named after her oldest brother (COK, 145), Viserion “the cream and gold” named for her brother Viserys (COK, 145), and Drogon, “the black,” named presumably for her dead husband (COK, 145).

[edit] Expansion

As I've mentioned on, oh, maybe a dozen talk pages by now, I'm revising all the A Song of Ice and Fire character pages. While I've done a lot of cutting on the House pages, and even a little on Aerys Targaryen, I think the Daenerys page (as well as Jon Snow) could actually do with a bit of expansion. As it stands now, it's barely larger than sections on some minor characters. I'll be editing in the material above in some form, and adding new detail as well. Brendan 16:51, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

I've been getting some heat for uploading an Amok image, even though I credited him. I've sent him an e-mail asking his permission, so don't delete them until I get an answer from him.--CyberGhostface 00:02, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

CG, you're not "getting heat". Copyright violations and similar things are bread-and-butter of a Wikipedia editor. We've all been there, no personal attack is implied. That begin said, keeping Wikipedia legal is of utmost importance for its credibility, so I hope you support my attempt to get the Amok pictures' status corrected. If we really could use his images, that would be wonderful, and your efforts in acquiring his permission is much appreciated. But please remember that we are not asking him for a non-commercial license. As soon as he releases the pictures for WP, anybody can print them in an artbook and make money off them. All they need is to mention Amok. Arbor 06:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC) I also hope that your email to Amok explains this. He cannot "allow his art to be used on Wikipedia". No such licence exists. As soon as the material is here, it becomes (roughly speaking) part of the public domain. That includes commercial use. (That's not quite true; read the licensing details on the image upload page if you care about the various possible licences.) But Amok is a valuable member of the GRRM fan community. Treat him well. Arbor 07:46, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
This is what he said to me.
"I'm not sure about Dany's image, because (c) on that portrait belongs to FFG. You can use my Portrait Gallery - no problem, as long as you credited it, but I can't give you the permission to use the images I've done for other companies. Sorry about that."
So there's nothing to worry about. I'll remove the Dany picture and replace it with the regular one. I really don't see someone ripping off his images in another artbook. The copyright still belongs to him. And I've been more than polite to Amok in the e-mails.--CyberGhostface 12:15, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Let me see if I can get this straight (I understand the legal issues only marginally better than you...): Amok retains his copyright—he has not released his images into the public domain, right? But the e-mail you quote seems to grant us permission to use it on WP. (That is extraordinarily generous of him.) I suggest we go crazy and illustrate everything we can from his portraits galleries. As far as I can see, the proper license is Template:Non-free fair use in, for the article in question. Am I reading this correctly? Arbor 12:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
He's letting us use the images on wikipedia. I don't think that someone can legally rip them off and use them without Amok's permission in a book just because we're putting it on Wikipedia. If you think someone's going to abuse Amok's permission then I'll delete them.--CyberGhostface 13:34, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Cyber, that's the whole point. All of Wikipedia is in the Public Domain (well, under the GFDL license or something like that). As soon as you write a paragraph of great prose and put it here, it becomes Public Domain, free to be "ripped off", completely legal, by anybody. Microsoft can use it to advertise Word with, for that matter. And as soon as you upload an image, that image goes into the same pool. So "just putting it on Wikipedia" is a very imprecise term. If Amok gives you permission to upload it here, and unless you do your homework and tag the image properly, it becomes Public Domain, and Amok loses all rights, and everybody can "rip it off and use them without Amok's permission". Trust me, we aren't "giving you heat" just to bug you. Instead, I want to protect Amok's intellectual property. This being said, I assume the template I linked to does exactly what we want, because it doesn't relinquish copyright. You, as the uploader, now need to vouch for this, and explain (for example by referring to his email) that the copyright holder agrees. And then we could use all his wonderful images on WP, which would be great. (And a great contribution from you.) Arbor 13:49, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Sorry for any trouble I caused. What exactly should I add to the pages in terms of template so Amok retains the copyright?--CyberGhostface 14:37, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Picture Update

I sent an e-mail to Amok asking for his permission, and he said as long as it isn't art that he sold (such as his art from the new art book) that we are allowed to use it.--CyberGhostface 01:04, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Is "Dany" actually in the books?

I know that fans often call Daenarys "Dany" for short, but is this one of the character's actual nicknames in the story? If not, the "Dany" mention should be bumped up to the top, with a note that fans of the series use the nickname.Captain Crawdad 05:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, definitely. It's what she's mainly called by. Pyreforge 10:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dany's age

Does anyone know where in the books it says that Dany is almost seventeen? She was thirteen in A Game of Thrones, and I can't find anything in the books that says three years have passed. Admittedly I haven't read ASOIF in a while, but I would have guessed she was more like fifteen. Pyreforge 01:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)