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As far as I can tell, the french doxie page (fr:teckel), says that "the teckel... is a breed of flea-bag...." either the phrase used is idiomatic and my limited knowledge of french can't handle it, or someone over there wrote something kinda crappy. Can someone who speaks better french look in on this? [[User:Lachatdelarue|Lachatdelarue (talk)]] 00:20, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Submarine on IRC kindly looked - the complete sentence was "the teckel (aka sausage on legs) is a breed of flea-bag" - heh! He's fixed it -- sannse (talk) 19:43, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Added the section of Dachshund Racing. While I was stunned by the article I read. Dog Kennel Magazine -- Never heard of it, but I don't watch football.

The children's book Part-Time Dog by Jane Thayer supposedly features a famous Dachshund. Could someone please verify & add if appropriate? Jodi.a.schneider 02:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Wursthunde

From the "Appearance" section:

"Colloquially referred to as "wiener dogs" or "sausage dogs" (German Wursthunde), [...]"

The bolded part should probably be removed; noone *ever* refers to these as "Wursthund(e)" in German, and in fact, the word sounds highly artificial, as if made up by someone with a dictionary but no actual grasp on the German language. The current wording wrongly gives the impression that "Wursthund" is in fact an at least not entirely uncommon moniker for these in German. Any objections? -- Schnee (cheeks clone) 21:00, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

I removed it. I've never heard anyone use this term. Google reveals one hit for that word. Sounds very made up to me. Trysha 21:12, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Not sure about this either way

I have a hard time accepting this, especially wrt feelings in the USA.

Dachshunds have traditionally been viewed as a symbol of Germany, despite their pan-European heritage. During World War I the animals fell so far out of favor in England and the United States that owners were actively encouraged to euthanize their pets.

Roodog2k 01:53, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

I have had a quick look around the net, and cannot find anything supporting that statement. All I have found anywhere is that their popularity fell dramatically during that time. Tekana | Talk 11:48, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Names in other languages--agree/disagree?

This page seems to be accruing names in a wide range of foreign languages. We originally said that we'd list names commonly used in English-speaking countries, web sites, and kennel clubs but not be an accumulation of those used in other languages. Agree/disagree? Elf | Talk 21:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Agree I think that we should only have "common names" used in english speaking countries. If people want to know the simple translations of the names, or alternate names are used in other countries, they can simply select the link to the other language version of the article - so the information is there. It clutters up the dog box having so many names. - Trysha (talk) 22:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Badger dogs

Hello, I would like to add a list of dogs used for hunting and Badger-baiting can someone help me out ? Cordially SirIsaacBrock 03:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dackel / Teckel

In Germany the Dachshund nowadays ist usually called "Dackel". An older Name often used by Breeders and by Hunters which are using Dachshunde is "Teckel". http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dackel

[edit] Source for popularity claims?

(Copied from User talk:Masonbarge:)

Could you identify the source(s) for the statements about the popularity of the breed in the U.S. and in NYC specifically so that we can have a "Reference" section listing the source? Thanks. Elf | Talk 16:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

===Done=== I put in a couple of links. I couldn't find the original story about New York but I got a link to a Chicago Trib article for 2005 and changed the sentence accordingly.

Oh dearest Elf, please watch the Movie Garfield and you would see that the dog Odie is in fact played by a Wired Haired Dachshund. You who thinks you know everything about all breeds of dogs and yet don't know me... Leslie Kuva... keep searching and you will know

[edit] Nintendogs

Should a section be added concerning Nintendogs, the game for DS which has a version with the dacshshund as the cover breed?

I probably would not, since if we put a link to every product that featured a given dog, we'd have a million links on each article and they become meaningless - there should be a link from the Nintendogs here though. - Trysha (talk) 23:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
No.This is about a dog,not a virtual pet.--70.165.71.229 22:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Odie?

Odie is listed under "Famous Dachshunds". I've never heard of him being described as a Dachshund. Could someone verify this? ... discospinster talk 12:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems that odie in garfield the movie was a dachshund [1]. Of course, I think 4 people actually saw that movie, and no one really thinks of that odie as the 'real odie', most people think of the comic strip which is clearly not. I'm going to remove the item. - Trysha (talk) 13:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] boston dachsund meetup.

I did not notice that the user who added the boston meetup site, asked why his link was removed. Under the External Links guidelines and what wikipedia is not, social networking sites like these are not allowed. Wikipedia is not a directory of links, and it is global. Meetup sites like these, besides the fact that they are local in scope, sites like these meet none of the 'what should be linked to' criteria, none of the 'occasionally' ciritera, and, and meet #1, #3, #9, and possibly #4 of 'what should not be linked to', as such they should not be added. Really the only reason I can see for adding the link is to attract more members to your site - and that is not what wikipedia is about. Trysha (talk) 19:13, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I should also note, the reason that we have the clubs listed, is that because the clubs are the source that defines what a given breed is. They are the ones who set the standards that are being bred to, in different areas, animals of a given breed are bred to slightly different standards so it is good to list all of the ones who define the breed. - Trysha (talk) 19:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] National Dachshund Meetups.

I don't mean to belabor this point, and this is the last time I will bother "protesting," but I thought I would share some final thoughts. I have to say the anti-spamming editors are extremely fast, efficient and thorough. I do not believe that a link to the National Dachshund Meetup meets "#1, #3, #9, and possibly #4 of 'what should not be linked to.'" I do believe that access to thousands of dachshund owners throughout the nation IS a "unique resource." I do not personally own or maintain the National Dachshund Meetup page, and as far as neutrality and POV issues are concerned, it simply does not apply, considering the myriad of opinions held by the thousands of dachshund owners (so all points of view are expressed). Yes, Meetup can be used as a social networking space, but many of the groups (including the dachshund groups) have greater purposes. We serve as a resource for potential and new dachshund owners, addressing good breeding practices, caring for your dachshund, training, and overall dachshund health. Some of us are active in dachshund rescue programs, and in other charities and organizations that fight to prevent cruelty to animals. Finally, while "MEETUP" itself is an organization created to make money, many of the groups that comprise it are not-for-profit and charge no fees. There is no charge to join any dachshund groups that I know of, while some organizers charge a small fee at, and only to cover the cost of, an event. Most dachshund groups are not formed to sell products or services. Please reconsider a link to the National Dachshund Meetup page, where users can search for a group in their particular geographic location. I think we are a valuable resource. Thanks for your consideration. Vinnie 70.22.226.12 03:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The removal of external links is not always related to the links being commercial/promotional. WP:EL and WP:SPAM make it pretty clear that links should adhere to some rather strict guidelines to be included. Otherwise, it would be all too easy for Wikipedia to turn into a link farm. OhNoitsJamie Talk 03:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of vertebrae?

Do daschunds have more vertebrae, or longer ones? -:)Ozzyslovechild 16:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

That's a really good question...I've never even thought about that!CerealBabyMilk 21:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Same number of vertabrae; shorter leg joints! TM Houston, TX75.163.154.42 (talk) 05:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need more information on alternative spinal treatments

For the moment, I took out the two sentences on alternative spinal treatments:

Other treatments that have been used with some success include TENS, acupuncture, physical therapy, moxibustion, chiropractic manipulation, and massage. The use of arthritis medication such as Rimadyl (which failed clinical trials for humans) has reverted to the subjects of its previous testing: dogs, with great results in relieving skeletal back pain.

It needs its own section, but really it also needs more attestation, if only through links to reasonably reliable Web sites.

I did quite a bit of copy-editing, and used lower case for relevant terms, including “dachshund” and coat types. Ordinarily we would use initial capitals only for breeds that contain proper names, e.g., “Rhodesian ridgeback,” “Labrador retriever.”

joeclark 20:06, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hund is a cognate

Hund is related to the English "hound", so wouldn't it be more appropriately called the "badjer hound"?

I hear what you're saying, but hound refers to a specific grouping of dogs (i.e. dogs that aid in hunting). However, hund is simply the german word for dog. It is used to refer to all dogs. Therefore, given the fact that hound refers to a specific grouping of dogs, dog is the accurate and only appropriate translation. This fact is frequently emphaisized in books about the breed.CFiorello 07:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Achondroplasia

Animal evolved for living underground.
Animal evolved for living underground.

Most dachshunds today are achondroplastic dwarfs. The syptoms of this genetic defect are large chests and heads, and crooked legs. These are not characteristics that are beneficial in a hunting dog used to enter subterrainian burrows. The majority of animals hunted in burrows have a chest span less than 14 inchs, including foxes. A large chest is the single worst attribute dog intended for earthwork could have. If you look at the photo of a dachshund in the article from the time that many dachshunds were hunted, it looks more like a modern Jack Russell or Fell Terrier. There is no evidence that short legs are helpful in negotiating an underground space. If this were the case, animals such as foxes or jackals would have very short legs. They do not. Attributing traits that modern breeders select for to real-life work may be romantic, but it is not accurate and should not be part of an encyclopedic entry.--Counsel 21:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Doxies were bred that way.It ain't a defect.§70.165.71.229 22:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Selecting for a genetic disorder does not change the fact that it is a defect. It may say something about those doing the selection, however.--Counsel 19:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Famous and Fictional Dachshunds" section

This section is rather long. Not every single example that has appeared in popular culture needs to be listed here. (I mean, come on, the one from the Petsmart commercial that aired maybe for one month?) If someone has the time to go through determine a consensus here and excise what most editors believe are the less notable examples, leaving the more significant ones, that would be appreciated. --Kinu t/c 15:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Merger with Angel (dog)

I am suggesting a merger of this page to Angel (dog) because they both discuss within the same subject. - SnuckOnTE 23:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I moved your discussion to the bottom of this Talk Page for correct chronology. I disagree with your proposal for a merger as I'm not sure that Angel (dog) should have her own Wiki page in the first place to be honest - does a dog require her own encyclopaedia page? Just my opinion. Erwinloh 23:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I have actually just proposed the deletion of the Angel article. She doesn't meet notability guidelines, especially considering the contest she won is not notable. VanTucky 00:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree. Angel looks like a fantastic dachshund, and I love dachshunds, but I'm not sure she deserves her own Wiki article. :) Congratulations on her win! Good effort by a dachshund. Erwinloh 00:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Btw, is your IP address 71.228.153.173? I note that in the history of the Dachshund page this line - 23:27, 29 June 2007 71.228.153.173 (Talk) (19,154 bytes) (Next time suckers, don't remove my dog!) - I note that the guest with that IP address had put up a photo of Angel as well to replace 2 dachshund photos on the dachshund page. That change was reverted appropriately. I know you love your dog, but it's not good form to call people "suckers". :) Just a note. Erwinloh 00:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is mine :-) Well, I guess it's time to come clean. The "award" and the "association" does not exist. I was only trying to show off my dog. (The story on the Angel (dog) page is the true story, well, except for the award part.) I know that it is not good form to call people suckers. Anyway, if you'd like, I can take some more pictures of her (both sides, her face, her legs, etc.) and upload them and post the links on this page if anyone feels that they could be used in the Dachshund page (or any other page for that matter). Note that they would be real pictures, without the "best dog" stuff.—Preceding unsigned comment added by SnuckOnTE (talk • contribs)

No, there seems to be plenty of photos already on commons, but you are welcome to add some photos there in case we might like them. Also, remember to sign your posts. Reywas92Talk 17:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
You can upload your own photos to Wikimedia Commons Upload, and then link one of the photos to the Dachshund gallery page here - Wikimedia Commons Dachshund Gallery Erwinloh 23:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eyes

Lightly colored eyes is common and within the AKC breed standard for dappled dachshunds; a dappled dog with light eyes should not be considered a mixed-breed. Apwvt 05:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Totally agree with you. Erwinloh 06:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Colors

The dog identified as "Silver Dapple with different colored eyes" is actually a black-and-tan double dapple. Any white on the coat or head automatically makes the dog a double dapple or piebald. Silver dapple is an incorrect term, as there is no such thing as a silver dauchshund. The colors are: Solids; Red, Black and Tan, Chocolate and Tan, Cream, Blue and Tan and Isabella (Fawn) and Tan. The Dapple varieties therefore are Red Dapple, Balck and Tan Dapple, and Chocolate and tan dapple. The dapple pattern is a combination of the regular solid color and the dilute solid color, for instance, the "Blue" is diluted black, so the "black and tan dapple has patches of black and blue. The Isabella color is diluted chocolate, so the dapple has patches of both colors.

There is a real controversy in the Dachshund breeding community about the permissibility of white in the coat. Because the double dapple gene which gives the white coloration can be lethal, or result in missing eyes, blindness and deafness, it is aften discouraged from the breeding process.

Tim Moss Houston, TX 98.194.106.215 13:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.106.215 (talk) 01:06, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Hi Tim
Good discussion - that's my dachshund there. :) The father of Princess of a "silver dapple", the mother a "red". My understanding from the breeder is that she is a dapple, and not a double dapple, as only one parent is dappled, but the breeder could be wrong I suppose. Single dapples can still have white on their bodies, although that is less common. The good news is that Princess has normal eyesight and hearing.
"Silver dapple" is the older term for "black and tan dapple" - I agree that it's not part of the "official" terminology - but that term is still used extensively by people. Do a search on Google for "silver dapple dachshund" for example. :) But I see your point - in an article like this maybe we should refrain from using colloquial terms.
Erwinloh 00:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Added picture of red Dachshund puppy Chaotic42 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 03:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] a question re: behaviour

does anyone know where I could find research regarding the biting history of the mini datsuns, I have a daughter and she was bit, unprovoked, and the dog has bitten others(which the owners did not tell me until we were at the hospital) i just would like to research this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Melisterene (talk • contribs) 16:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC) Based on my experience with my dogs and others, I would have to say pretty rare. My dogs LOVE kids, and the older one will let the neighbor's kids put their arms around his neck with no reaction. As with all dogs, training, general temperament and good socialization are the real keys. Tim Moss Houston, TX75.163.154.42 (talk) 05:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Skin Irratation

Hi my two dauchhounds have both got bad skin irratations under tere necks and stomachs the vet says its caused by grass seeds is this correct.--Melsdogs 05:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I also have a Daschund and that is correct. PookeyMaster 09:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

The color of your Dachshund could also contribute. Dilute colors (Blue, Isabella, cream) are more susceptible to sunburn and "dilute gene alopecia" which causes these colors to develop bumps in their hair follicles and to lose their hair, sometimes in patches, sometimes all-over depending on the severity. Remember, also, that because they are low to the ground lawn chemical applications can be more irritating to them than to other dogs, so wiping them down after a trip outside, especially in long or recently treated grass is a good idea! Tim Moss Houston, TX75.163.154.42 (talk) 05:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Beer dacshunds

In Finland, 12-packs of bottled beer (2 rows of 6 bottles) are popularily called dachshunds, because of the elongated shape of the packs. JIP | Talk 20:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of link to Daily Dachshund and Dog News

The Daily Dachshund and Dog News is indeed a blog but not a personal one. It's an aggregator that adds value. It covers Dachshund news, as it happens, and it is not, as an earlier Wikipedean suggests, just a Google feed. A cursory glance will show it has a lot to offer.

IN fact, this is the kind of news source that couldn't have existed before the web. And I think by removing the link you are depriving Dachshund lovers of a source of news they'd like. Instead of interpreting Wikipedia's rules in the most narrow minded way -- use of Flickr, Youtube and Ads do not automatically disqualify site nor does the fact that it's a blog. Why not ask yourself, "If I were someone looking for information on Dachshunds, would it help to know about this site?" If the answer is yes, please restore the link.

[edit] Licking their own

Can anyone confirm whether dachshunds can lick their own hoo-has the way most doggies can? Seems like they'd be too long. Would that become a problem for the dog? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.63.142 (talk) 17:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] God Dog or Badger Dog?

"The breed's name is German and literally means "God," from Latin."

History: "The first verifiable references to the dachshund, originally named the "Tachs Kriecher" (badger crawler) or "Tachs Krieger" (badger warrior), came from books written in the early 1700s."

I'm suspicious about dachshund meaning "god-dog." I've never heard this before, there is no explanation as to why, and later in the History section, there is what seems to be a confirmation that dachshund means "badger dog," which is a more common explanation. Could a German speaker confirm this? Armandeus (talk) 10:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

That was vandalism and has been corrected. Thank you for pointing it out. God in Latin is Deus anyway. Reywas92Talk 20:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] For hunting?

The lead gives the impression that dachshunds are still used for hunting, but looking at the old style dachshund and the modern dachshunds, it seems unlikely that the modern dachshund would be useful in hunting. Is the hunting use historical or are there lines bred for show and lines bred for working dachshund which follows different standards? --165.21.154.88 (talk) 12:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)