Talk:D. A. Waite

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Rationale for inclusion in an encyclopedia is that for 20+ years, Waite has been a high-profile spokesman for the KJV Only movement, and it is natural to have information about him available. I have tried very hard not to include any information that is not linked to verifiable information, and have tried to be as neutral as possible. Yet all the facts should be available, and I have tried to link any statement to primary sources so that a researcher can follow them.

Fairly good work. I'd clean up the bit about his initials/first name, but at a glance seems clean. Cantras 19:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Burgeon not Wilkinson

I removed this line: "which relies heavily on theories originated by Seventh-Day Adventist scholar Benjamin G. Wilkinson" because Waite relies on Dean Burgeon and not Wilkerson. The Wilkerson argument is a common straw man argument to try and relate defense of the KJV with cultic groups. D.A. Waite never aludes to Wilkinson except in a defense to prove that he doesn't allude to him, but is the head of the Dean Burgeon Society. Also Wikersons pro KJV books were written later than burgeons. To a Fundamentalist like waite it is sort of like saying about a modern day evolutionst that they rely on Hitlers theories of evolution, when it would be more true to say that they rely on Darwins theories. Anyhow I hope you get the point. Potters house 17:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The strand of KJV-Only that Waite teaches draws very heavily on Wilkinson's material. Listen to some of Waite's audio presentations, like the KJV Seminar, to hear it -- unfortunately it's hard to cite this audio in an article. I guess I could go back and listen and pull out quotes. Waite is heavily into the Alexandrian=bad, Antioch=good manuscipt traditions (and Waite denies the Septuagint even exists!), which is a Wilkinson, not Bergon, teaching. Scott1329m 17:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
If you do not believe it, see this article which says:
According to D. A. Waite, long associated with Fuller in KJVO matters, Fuller knew full well that Wilkinson was an Adventist and deliberately concealed that fact from the reader, and even from the Publisher, because the Baptist brethren "wouldn't understand." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scott1329m (talk • contribs) 18:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC).


This has a myriad of problems. Waite claims the name of Dean Burgon, but Burgon could not have even joined the Burgon Society that Waite co-founded because their views on the text contradict his. Waite primarily got his information from David Otis Fuller, the other founder of the DBS. Fuller's writings make it clear that he got his information from a Baptist named J.J. Ray and Wilkinson. 199.91.34.33 03:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)Maestroh

I would not go that far - Waite is heavily influenced by Dean Bergon, too. Material taken from Burgon's The Revision Revised and other sources are featured in Waite's presentations. Primarily, though, Waite's main views come from Fuller (whom he even quotes in the most recent KJV message he put on SermonAudio) which are in turn derived from Wilkinson. Most of the main views of the DBS seem to be very late KJO, so Burgeon wouldn't have recognized them in his own day. The real tragedy in all this is The Revision Revised is in the public domain, but not online. Maybe Google Books will scan a copy some day. I'd like to read it. Since Wilkinson's book is online, if Burgon's book was online, it would help researchers be able to determine which views came from which source. Scott1329m 12:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)