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Contents 1 cz75 Family 2 Nomenclature 3 Nitpicks 4 Style 5 P-01 and SP-01

[edit] cz75 Family

The cz75 has evolved into a family of pistols, including compact and competition models. The CZ series is still made by the origonal CZ company plus Tanfoglio in Italy ( called witness ), but perhaps the most evolved model is the baby eagle of Magnum Research in Israel. Russian special forces are said to carry this pistol, and in the US, a famous proponent of the M1911 .45 Auto Col. Cooper advocated a version in 10mm which was called the bren ten. This is known as a 9mm luger / parabellum cartridge, but .40 S&W caliber and .45 ACP versions have been developed for the American market. Typically it is a steel frame pistol, double action origonally with a cocked and locked safety system ( Col. Cooper's attraction ) but now also has frame mounted decocker or a slide mounted decocker ( baby eagle ). CZ75 is credited with the design of the first firing pin safety device.

Note: Col. Cooper's pet project, the Bren Ten was a cost-production failure, shortly after it's hollywood splash by being selected as the side arm of the lead actor in Miami Vice TV show. COl. Cooper now laments his involvement in the 10mm version, saying that he was just trying to obtain a flatter trajectory than the .45 ACP. ( The powerfull 10mm cartridges really hammered the pistols ) Cooper has retreated into his traditional insistance that a M1911 is his ideal combat pistol.

Correct me if im wrong about this, but isn't the Baby Eagle just the American Name of the Jeherico (frogive the mispelling, im on my way out the door, if i get a chance ill correct it later

Baby Eagle is the American name for Jeherico.

Yes, Baby Eagle is the name Magnum Research used to, from what I understand, To play off their famous Deseret Eagle.

As for the Firing Pin Safety, The CZ 75 didn't have a firing pin safety but the later CZ 75B models do. But There are ealier pistols that have that feature. For example, The CZ-52 and Walther P-38/P-1 have a firing pin safety of a similar nature of the CZ 75B, and were made long before the CZ 75. Konigstigerii 05:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

-there is missing a note or description of an uncommon CZ-75 version, CZ-75 Automatic

[edit] Nomenclature

Although the pistol is often referred to as "CZ-75", CZUB itself calls it the "CZ 75" without the hyphen. I can't see a reason why we shouldn't be using the correct designation in the articles. Comments? BroadArrow 22:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Changed all instances of "CZ-75" to "CZ 75". As far as I'm concerned, what's engraved on the gun is the right name, and it isn't "CZ-75". 19.05.06

[edit] Nitpicks

I suggest the following bold text be simply removed on the bullet point about the CZ 75BD:

CZ 75BD: A variant of the now-common CZ 75B (B standing for firing pin Block) with a decocker replacing the traditional manual safety. (D stands for Decocker). This variant is quickly becoming the most common of the CZ 75B models, due to the additional safety the Decocker safety provides.

For one, I've never seen any decockers other than the P-01 on the shelf anywhere, and absent CZ-USA official sales figures, it doesn't make sense to put this in. Second, whether a decocker makes a pistol safer than condition 1 "cocked and locked" is a subject of debate and a matter of method of usage of a pistol. I realize this is a minor editing point, but I don't want to step on any toes.  :)

Mons-meg 16:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, the links for T-90 and T-95 in the clones section go to the pages for the Russian main battle tanks, so I de-linked them to avoid confusion.

Mons-meg 17:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I read somewhere that Gendo Ikari's gun (from the End of Evangelion)is a CZ 75 or 85. Here's the link (it's in Russian) http://anime.mipt.ru/fan-art/nge-weapons/weapons.htmlTestingTesting 16:50, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

You'll also see the CZ 75 (original, not B version) in Gunsmith Cats; I believe Rally uses one. Mons-meg 12:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Rally does use a CZ 75, starting from the last story in Bonnie & Clyde (which goes into a discussion of the weapon). Any trivia area where this would fit? 24.107.109.40 22:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Style

This line really bothers me as jargon and not very encyclopedic

I've changed to copyedit from unencyclopedic as I think that is more inline with the problem. Write to your readers to inform not as serious pistol shooters in the community.

This was also one of the first hi-cap nines to allow cocked-and-locked (or Condition One) carry, the preferred method of most serious pistoleros. In this department, it is still in a distinct minority. It is extremely rugged and an instinctive "point-shooter".

hi-cap should be noted as high capacity and pistoleros is again very jargon instead of being explanitory. Don't assume your reader is going to be a serious pistol shooter and this isn't to wikipedia style. Tirronan 20:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the {{copyedit}} as the requested changes have been completed. Thank you. Tirronan 22:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] P-01 and SP-01

Should these pistols have their own section? A lot of extra design work went into these pistols and thus they are quite different to the original CZ 75. Hayden120 (talk) 11:11, 27 January 2008 (UTC)