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[edit] re: User:Cyrius/monobook.css

I don't want to make any major changes with the monobook design, but I HATE the left and right justification and would rather have the text only left justified (like the Classic skin?). Would you be able to help me do that? BlankVerse ∅ 16:31, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] You're not reading the rules very well

The page we've been talking about says:

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met:

Then it lists conditions. Then it says:

However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

What does "such" mean? It means redirects meeting one or more of the conditions. One of the conditions was that the target page does not exist. So it's saying to avoid deleting (among others) redirects whose target does not exist if certain other conditions are met. One of those is that the redirect whose target does not exist may help avoid later creation of duplicate articles by directing a singular to a plural, a misspelling to a correct spelling, a misnomer to a correct term, etc. Therefore the long-standing policy does say that under some conditions, redirects whose targets do not exist should not be considered "broken" and should not be deleted. My edits that you called a "policy change" were therefore merely a change in emphasis, to draw attention to the exceptions lest they be neglected in haste.

As for you "netiquette" comments, writing EVERYTHING in capitals is "shouting", according to a long-standing netiquette custom. Some people did that because they learned to use the internet in about 1970 or so, when everything had to be written in capitals. Thus in 1990 or so, it had long been an atavism. To write a few isolated words in all capitals for emphasis is not an instance of that sort of thing. Michael Hardy 22:59, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Broken redirects

Speedy deletion policy states that broken redirects are candidates for speedy deletion. The only exception is if they have a useful history. Your continued ignoring of this fact in favor of such insults as impugning my reading comprehension ability has now resulted in me filing you away as unable to be reasoned with.

Congratulations. -- Cyrius|✎ 23:38, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sorry; that's just not what the policy says. I've given arguments, and you've just made assertions, so you're the one who's not willing to reason. Michael Hardy 23:44, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That is exactly what the policy says, except when you try to impose your unilateral changes. -- Cyrius|✎ 00:58, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As I said, the long-standing policy mentions certain exceptions. I am not the one who put those there. I just called attention to them, because a number of people -- you among them -- seem to have neglected them. Michael Hardy 01:06, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Those are exceptions to the rules for deleting working redirects. Broken redirects are still candidates for speedy deletion. -- Cyrius|✎ 01:17, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's the part where you're reading incorrectly. It clearly says to delete a redirect if certain conditions hold, and then says "However such redirects should not be deleted if..." What could the phrase "such redirects" refer to, if not the items in the preceeding list? One of those is redirects with non-existent targets. I instituted no policy change; only a clarification. Michael Hardy 01:23, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The preceeding list does not (directly) contain the case of broken redirects. "Certain redirects can be deleted immediately without holding a vote or discussion." I find your interpretation that the exceptions must apply to broken redirects hard to fathom. If the exceptions apply, then no broken redirects can ever be deleted because "someone" (you) "finds them useful". This is obviously not the intent of their inclusion in speedy deletion policy.

As you know well, I never said I find ALL redirects with non-existent targets useful. I said specifically WHICH ONES I find useful and WHY. Why is it so hard for you to admit that I have repeatedly specified those things? Michael Hardy 20:10, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The distinction between useful redirect with non-existent targets and useless redirects with non-existent targets is that the former help prevent inadvertent later creation of duplicate articles, by redirecting a plural to a singuler, or a misspelling to a correct spelling, or a misnomer to a correct term, or one synonym to another. Are you saying those do not serve a useful purpose? Just recently I redirected factorial experiments to factorial experiment when the latter page did not exist (it still doesn't, as far as I know). If someone were otherwise to decide to write an article titled factorial experiments, and another person decided to write one titled factorial experiment, then possibly neither would know the other existed, and then they could not cooperate. With the redirect, the person attempting to created the factorial experiments article could either write one titled factorial experiment or, if considered approrpiate, redirect that page to the plural and put the article there. Michael Hardy 01:51, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What value they may or may not have in preventing duplicate articles (I remain unconvinced) is outweighed by their breaking of our core navigational convention.

What is that convention and why is it more important than preventing duplicates by means of such redirect? Michael Hardy 02:00, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

There's only one navigational convention that is affected by the existence or non-existence of an article. Blue links mean an article exists, red links mean it doesn't.

So if the software would be altered so that a link to a redirect page whose target does not exist were red, would you then hold that there is nothing to "outweigh" the value of redirects that prevent later creation of duplicate articles? Michael Hardy 21:33, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi Cyrius! FYI, there's new data up at the Wiki Syntax Project that covers redirects to non-existent targets; (The reason I'm leaving this note on your talk page is that you showed an interest in this problem category during the last batch). -- All the best, Nickj (t) 09:51, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale

Why the capital letters in "Hurricane Scale"? Michael Hardy 22:11 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)

It's part of a quasi-proper name, not merely descriptive. -- Cyrius | Talk 22:48, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)
But Richter scale, Beaufort scale, etc., are in lower case on Wikipedia, and the many thousands of Wikipedia pages titled X's theorem, X's law, X's theory, X's hypothesis, X's axiom, X's lemma, X's corollary, X's method, etc., use lower-case. Michael Hardy 22:02, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to join U.S. Regions wikiproject

I'd like extend an invitation for you to join the U.S. Regions wikiproject. If you want to join please add you name to participants, and review the curent policy as well as the current proposal and debate on talk. Thanks. -JCarriker 12:12, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hurricane project

I know you've made a lot of articles on hurricanes, so I wanted to ask if you were interested, or know a helpful source to help, in making articles for all named storms? A long the lines of your Hurricane Frances (disambiguation) article. I thought about starting to take down notes on storms, etc. Do you think this is wise? I'll start going through the NHC archives and writing down storm name and information. --Golbez 09:08, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

I went and did it after noticing you were on leave; not all that bad. I have articles for about half of the 1953-1979 storms done (if only redirects to the season page) and all 1979-2005 storms. --Golbez 08:19, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
Welcome back, and too, congrats on your graduation. :) As I said, every storm name used since 1953 now has either an article, a disambiguation or a redirect associated with it. Furthermore, first-uses of names are now remarked in the name lists of each season. My next step is to go to each season page and put at least the type of storm for each name. (After 1979 this isn't a problem, but 53-79, there's no indication as to what strength a storm reached). Then I'll do all the same stuff for eastern pacific. You have it in your plans to at some point put a short description for storms on the pre-1979 pages, so I'll leave you in charge of that one. ;) It's nice to see you back, just in time too :)
While I'm here, how familiar are you with how Wikinews works? I submitted a story on Adrian, and I think we should stay on top of the storms this year with appropriate Wikinews stories. (Adrian, not just because it formed, but because it is threatening land already) --Golbez 14:57, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] superscript 2 and superscript 3

Hi - You've answered some technical questions before, and I thought you might be able to help with this one. I've been attempting to resolve a question about superscript 2 and superscript 3 unsuccessfully for several months. Latest attempt is now on the village pump technical archive here, Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive#superscript_2_and_superscript_3. Do you know who needs to change what to get the javascript suggestion for these characters changed on the edit page? Thanks. -- Rick Block 17:15, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Any idea who might know, if you don't? Thanks. -- Rick Block 14:48, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
The old archive is here. I think ² and ³ (similar to ¹) are the right characters. I could put this on the talk page now that I know where it is. If you want to just change it that'd be fine too (I can't since I'm not an admin). Thanks. -- Rick Block 22:25, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
It's actually 4 months to the day from the original query, which was posted here - but all's well that ends well. I certainly understand individual users taking breaks, but I'd think Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) should be better monitored. In any event, thanks very much for taking care of this. -- Rick Block 23:24, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

Congrats on your graduation, and good luck with the job search. — Knowledge Seeker দ 08:39, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Too Long?

Cyrius, I'm writing an article called Florida's Worst Hurricanes giving a brief summery of, well just look at the title. But I'm finding out that Florida has had more bad ones than I originally thought and it's getting a little long...too long in my opinion (its up to 2,000 words already and I'm only in the 1960's). Any tips on how to shorten it?

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 23:32, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

See, what I'm trying to do here is to consolidate the storms into one article that can inform people about all the major storms that have struck the state in the past century, instead of them having to hop from article to article. Also, many important storms don't even have articles for them at all. Are you saying that's not possible to do to a reasonable extent?

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 00:13, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Someone should say something

I, InShaneee, award Cyrius the Working Man's Barnstar for cleanup work from the Javascript Vandal and others
I, InShaneee, award Cyrius the Working Man's Barnstar for cleanup work from the Javascript Vandal and others

--InShaneee 04:27, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for pointing me that copyvio is not a reasons for delete, I'll now act accordingly. drini ☎ 21:03, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Beveridge redirect

In this case, I created the page and that typo appears nowhere else. I guess it does no harm to leave the page but it is really a waste. Nothing links to it and no one will probably ever commit that same typo. I think that the rule really says to leave common mispellings or alternates.

[edit] image deletions

Hi, i did check the Criteria for deltion page on images. it states ( An image which is a redundant (all pixels the same or scaled-down) copy of something else on Wikipedia and as long as all inward links have been changed to the image being retained.) I am only doing redundant images, and no articles pointing to it, with the included research. I am only attempting to help by following the guidelines. Thank you. <> Who 04:52, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

  • However, if you prefer me to use Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion {{ifd}}, I shall do that. <> Who 05:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Thank you for the information, I shall do it the that way with listing on the appropriate page. <> Who 05:04, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Move Talk:Wiki?

I'm not sure why that move happened... I moved Template:Wiki to User:Nauseam/Wiki (because WP:TFD consensus was to userfy that template)... maybe Talk:Wiki came along because Template talk:Wiki doesn't exist? Radiant_* 07:42, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

  • Yes. I'll see if I can duplicate it (of course it may be my mistake instead, but I checked and the template was indeed moved...) Radiant_* 18:02, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
    • It turns out that this is a bug. When userfying Template:Special, I first created Talk:Special, and it indeed turns out to have been moved along! I'll bugzilla it. Radiant_* 08:13, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
      • Will be fixed in next release, according to Brion Vibber. Radiant_* 10:25, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Quotable quotes

I've had your quotes page on my watchlist for months now. I love it. I have my own quotes page which I very rarely add to. I would steal some of the ones from your page, but why should I when I know where to find them, right? I just added a new one tonight, bringing the total to eight quotes. That's when I realized that I had quoted you three of those eight times. Are you really that witty or do we just have a similar warped sense of humor?  :-) SWAdair | Talk 06:09, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Ah, I see. Yes, sarcasm would explain it. Sometimes I wonder why I'm subscribed to the mailing list. I usually read the first post of each new thread, and the first few responses. After that, each thread usually either becomes an exercise in repetition, redundancy, going in circles and beating a dead horse, or else goes completely off topic. I figure I delete at least 80% of the posts without reading them. If I read more of the posts to the mailing list, I might have recongized that one. SWAdair | Talk 06:38, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Freifunk

Article has been rewriiten by User:Sven-ola. I have replaced my delete nomination vote with a "no vote". Can you reread to reconsider or affirm your delete vote? Sjakkalle 08:08, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Terri Schiavo Talk

> repair what looks like accidental blanking

Yes, that's exactly what it was. It's happened to me about three times already this last week. I caught two of them and fixed them before anyone noticed. I never even noticed this one. I don't know what causes it. I had it figured out and caught about another six instances before they got saved, but that one didn't even act like any of the others.

Anyway, thanks for fixing it. How embarrassing. Duckecho 03:17, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image speedy deletions

Please, see my reply on my talk page. Image:Helix84.jpg helix84 08:55, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please, see my reply on my talk page. Image:Helix84.jpg helix84 18:17, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please, see my reply on my talk page. Image:Helix84.jpg helix84 00:27, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please, see my reply on my talk page. Would you at last suggest changes to the procedure I used besides revoking it? Image:Helix84.jpg helix84 19:23, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please, see my reply on my talk page. Image:Helix84.jpg helix84 20:14, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What procedure do you suggest for English Wikipedia? Image:Helix84.jpg helix84 20:30, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I invite you to join a discussion about policy I proposed at Wikipedia_talk:Images_and_media_for_deletion#Deletion_policy_for_images_on_both_Commons_and_another_Wikipedia. If you know other wikipedians which are concerned, invite them, too. Image:Helix84.jpg helix84 15:49, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Piney Woods

I'd say its a wetland subset of the Piney Woods, like Caddo Lake. Have you seen the Wikipedia:Texan Collaboration of the Month started by Shem? You might be interested in it. Also regarding vague geographic regions, let me take this opprotunity to again extend to you an invitation to join Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. regions. Please also keep track of the changes at Template:Texas, UH Collegian's goals of updatind Census information are admirable, but I believe he's taking it way too far. Excluding, Galveston from a list of Texas' major cities? Ofcourse, from my POV his/her removal of Marshall from the long established Longview-Marshall metro borders on heresy. He/she seems to be from the Houston area, and as a fellow provincial I'm requesting your assistance in the debate. -JCarriker 10:11, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Texas COTM

I know "lapse" means stop doing something, so my edit didn't make sense. That sentence still sounds funny, though. --Myles Long 21:28, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Logging in

You answered me yesterday on my logging in problem. Why is it relevant when it stopped working? Do you know of anyone else this has ever happened to, how was the problem fixed?Fenice

[edit] Your revert on Wikipedia:Village_pump (miscellaneous)

Well that makes two of us. I don't know what you are up to either. Never mind, it wasn't a big deal. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:22, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Oh weird. Thanks for spotting that. Dunno how it happened. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:02, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Texas History

I couldn't stand it any more! See:History of Texas- JCarriker 12:31, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Galveston Hurricane of 1900

This was my first experiment with spoken articles (personally don't think I really have the voice for it), so it's totally possible I messed something up. Worked before uploading, but I hadn't checked after, so thanks for the heads up. --Laura Scudder | Talk 16:05, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hmm...Audacity plays it, but not VLC. If you have any insights they'd be welcome, otherwise I'll just fuss with it some until I figure out what's going on. --Laura Scudder | Talk 16:57, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think I fixed it, but let me know if it still doens't work for you. --Laura Scudder | Talk 17:57, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:U.S. Southern wikipedians' notice board

I have now reopened the notice board, if you are interested in contributing new topics, or in nominating articles for the Collaboration of the Week, which also received a revamp. Please post on the project's talk page if you show interest. Mike H 02:43, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Correction

I stand corrected re: reverts. Thanks for blocking him. Fuzheado | Talk 1 July 2005 16:01 (UTC)

[edit] 1994 Atlantic hurricane season

Can you check and verify the addition an anon made about a Subtropical storm? I've looked at the NHC archives but for the life of me I can't find the season summary PDFs that I've seen on there before :/ hrm. --Golbez July 4, 2005 02:20 (UTC)

[edit] Meetup

I'm thinking about a meetup for people in our part of the country. Since it would be a central location, a cheap destination, and I think I could get some favorable incentives from the chamber of commerece for people who come, I'm thinking of Marshall for the venue. Though other options certainly could be considered and no time has been set. Do you think you'd be interested? -JCarriker July 6, 2005 11:21 (UTC)

[edit] Qatar

Thanks for your answer at WP:RD about Qatar. I am grateful. PedanticallySpeaking July 8, 2005 20:47 (UTC)

[edit] Revert

Reverting suspected vandalism; check your page history and if it was valid, please reinsert with my apologies. -- Essjay · Talk 06:10, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Southwest Airlines in Houston

Thanks. That's already been settled. --Myles Long 17:18, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New user category

I have created a couple of new user categories modeled after UK Wikipedians. One of them is for our generation, born in the 1980s or 1990s. Please consider listing yourself under Category:Millennial Wikipedians Thanks. -JCarriker 18:43, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] re Template talk: Current

I think you were perfectly right to protect the template, and your explanation is equally OK for me, but it is true that the reason you stated was a personal one. ("I'm sick of ...") Maybe if you had said "Too many edits and reverts without discussion. Please reach a consensus first before introducing changes to the template." or something like this, there would have been less room for accusations. Anyway, happy to see I'm not the only one who thinks this is just WP:LAME :) KissL 09:30, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Link

I merely opened the door. I can't help it if Rdsmith4 chose to boldly step through. Joyous (talk) 00:42, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You!

Thanks for the help and editing you gave to the article i submitted "Angus Mac Kaskill". I am new but hopefully not completely clueless and any help I get while taking tentative "first steps" in this wonderful medium are very much appreciated. Wikipedia is the most important information resource I have yet found on the World Wide Web. Keep up the good work!Hamster Sandwich 00:56, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Google Earth/Google Maps

In a village pump discussion you said it wasn't ok to link to google maps. Can you explain that? SchmuckyTheCat 15:56, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hurricane articles

Personally, I think these should go up for VFD, but I am not big on hurricane history so I think it's up to you:

Not only do they smack of un-Wikilike writing, the facts (like with Hurricane Dora) contradict one another when you read the aforementioned "articles" and then the hurricane article itself. Mike H (Talking is hot) 22:17, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Comunlang VFD-2

You are receiving this notice due to a consideration that has come up during a VFD for the article Comunleng. As there was no clear consensus in Comunleng's previous VfD, it has been nominated again. Please see Votes for deletion/Comunleng 2 for comments. The Literate Engineer 23:44, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi! Just wanted to thank you for the help you gave to me and the article i wrote "Angus Mac Kaskill". I listed you in my shout outs (for thanks) on my user page (which is admittedly very boring at the present time). But hey, I just got here. I've read the appropriate pages but still have no clue as how to add pics to my articles.Thanks again and keep up the good work! Hamster Sandwich 06:03, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] If you could help me once more

Hi! I listed you in my shout outs (for thanks) on my user page (which is admittedly very boring at the present time). But hey, I just got here. I've read the appropriate pages but still have no clue as how to add pics to my articles.Thanks again and keep up the good work! Hamster Sandwich 06:03, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rickyboy/basin image

Yay! Didn't know you could do that. Thanks and thanks for the note. DavidH 16:27, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Kick the ass of anyone who renominates GNAA for deletion before 2007

I am surprised this is taking place. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 01:42, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RfC

Hi Cyrius, what was your reason for restoring Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Tlotz? SlimVirgin (talk) 02:17, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Albrecht Prinz von Croy and Talk:Albrecht Prinz von Croy (again, sorry)

Hello Cyrius, I agreed with your moving of the comments to the vfd-talk but unfortunately the IP did not. This diff seems to me like you voted (and the next diff like the IP reverted your vote) but I'm not sure because of the editing-time of your two edits (6.12 and 6.13) (regarding the history it seems like you yourself reversed your vote - perhaps a bug, but I don't know which one's the buggy view ;) ). Anyway - perhaps you may have another look on this vfd again? Thanks and CU --Rax 10:36, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rickyboy

14:55, July 21, 2005 Ed Poor unblocked User:Rickyboy (promised to be good) Uncle Ed 19:48, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Much gratitude

User:Cyrius/Quotes. :-) Uncle Ed 00:56, July 22, 2005 (UTC)